Jesus being God, the Most High, the Almighty, etc.., page 2


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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 12:25 PM by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Angle


So are all of us. Jesus wasn't saying that he was the ONLY son of god like the church teaches but that we are all children of god in my opinion. If he was god then so are we.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 12:29 PM by Angle
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


But we aren't the Word that was with God and which is God, whom Jesus was.



reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 12:47 PM by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Angle


Says who? The Word is thought which manifests from consciousness. The Word is the ability to say "I Am" in my opinion. Without thought (consciousness) there would be no word and there would have been nothing for Jesus to spread.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 02:23 PM by Deetermined
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This is just my opinion, but God came down into human form as Christ and as flesh is not Holy, nothing unholy can enter Heaven, this is why he stated " Why call me perfect, only one is perfect and that is God" and would be son of man as he was flesh also.


Precisely why Jesus never claimed to be God directly while he was in the flesh, but told people that the Father would "reveal it to them" through the Spirit.

After Jesus died and resurrected, He told his disciples to start baptizing people in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 16:15-18

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Notice too how Jesus tells his disciples that he will send them a "Comforter" (the Holy Spirit) and then follows that statement by saying that he himself would be the one coming to them.

John 14:8-9

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

John 14:16-18

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Who is the "Comforter, that he may abide with you forever"?

Matthew 28:18-20

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 03:37 PM by Angle
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


no offense, one can be conscious of many different things at a time.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 03:55 PM by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Angle


Okay? What's your point? Could you give an example so I can see what you're trying to say?


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:36 PM by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Angle


Not exactly, if you think about it there are different levels of consciousness, Jesus was at the top, he reached enlightenment. Some people are at the bottom and some in the middle and others all in-between. Since this is true and people of different levels of consciousness coexist together then many states of consciousness can and are experienced at one time, though your perspective is unique to everyone else. This is how god experiences himself, in my opinion, through us. Hopefully that makes sense.

Anyways, I do believe Jesus was god, but he isn't the only one who is, we all are because we all have life.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 05:08 PM by Deetermined
Originally posted by Angle

I still bring forth my argument that Jesus praid to God for strength.


Jesus always said that he came to fulfill the law.

At that time, the law included specific actions from the high priests in order to resolve the people of their sins and Jesus was taking over that role, so he had to do what they did.

Hebrews 5:1-10

1 For every high priest, being taken from among men, is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

2 who can bear gently with the ignorant and erring, for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity;

3 and by reason thereof is bound, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

4 And no man taketh the honor unto himself, but when he is called of God, even as was Aaron.

5 So Christ also glorified not himself to be made a high priest, but he that spake unto him, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee:

6 as he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchizedek.

7 Who in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear,

8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;

10 named of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 05:13 PM by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Deetermined


So Jesus took the place of those he despised? Why would he call them a "brood of vipers" then turn around and carry on their work? That doesn't make sense to me.
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