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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:29 AM by charles1952
From an interesting article in 2009 (I don't know if there's been any significant change since then):
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.


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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:48 AM by kudegras
reply to post by NuclearPaul



Yeah why not, the more you look into things the more you find doesn't add up.
What I wrote in the previous post was that Mass murder hasn't happened since the gun buyback. You also have to take into account haw many immigrants we have taken in, the fact that we have had a recession as well.
All these things point to many people committing desperate acts to survive, so yeah crime would have to increase.
So maybe, Hoddle Street, Queen street and Port Arthur were either setups or maybe some crazy assholes got hold of guns and killed people.
And, if you cant easily get hold of a gun its a lot harder to kill so many people without being taken out first.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 10:26 AM by HenryNorris
Originally posted by charles1952
From an interesting article in 2009 (I don't know if there's been any significant change since then):
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.


www.ncpa.org...


What exactly do you do in America when you have to stand up for yourself and punch a guy in the face? Are you worried the guy will run and grab a gun and shoot you? Is this why all the hard American "carry"? Because they are cowards that cant defend themselves? I guess if you have a gun on your hip you dont have to worry about physical confrontations?

Assualts going up is a good thing. As long as a gun isnt used then what is the harm?

The crime rate going up has to do with other factors and it would have gone up anyway even if Australians had kept their guns which were mostly used for hunting in low crime country areas.

Australians were never big on using guns for protection. Australian society has changed alot since the gun ban and many factors contribute to the statistics you present to further your agenda.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 11:07 AM by CosmicCitizen
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Well if you are going to take someone's property by fiat....at least pay them for it.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 12:57 PM by solomons path
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Assualts going up is a good thing. As long as a gun isnt used then what is the harm?



Is that what you tell the children of your country? Don't worry about getting beat . . . at least you didn't get shot!


Our (world's) media has done a good job of painting America to be some lawless wasteland . . . I can just see you aussies with visions of Humungus chasing down little kids to steal their oil/gas . . . when will Mel come and save us?

Next will UK an AUS blame their violent crime on America's gun culture too? They already blame our video games, our movies, etc. Mexico claims they only have crime because Americans like drugs and we ship guns to their country.

I really wish we could go back to a time of isolationism and leave the rest of the world to rot . . . No more foreign aid or military assistance. No more huddled masses to be allowed. No favored status for trade. Ahh . . . Utopia.
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