Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
If someone is so desperate that they have to steal a tube of toothpaste, GIVE him the tooth paste, and a toothbrush, and a bar of soap, and a couple of bucks if you can spare it. Why is it so hard for some people to look at the less fortunate and say, "What if that were me?"

Oh man! I gave you a star and was about to post how awesome you are....... until........

...I saw your signature.

That's not very cool Mr. VictorVonDoom. If Barack Obama burns for eternity in hell, then so shall we all, because we are not that much different from him. If we are, it's probably that we are worse.

How in any circumstance is choking someone to death a form of self-defense?

I suppose if someone is in your house, had a knife that you knocked away, and it was either choke him to death or potentially let him get back to his knife while you tried going for the phone.

An unarmed man stealing a tube of toothpaste needing to be choked in self-defense? no way

This is one of the most horrific things I've seen lately. Not only did the manager choke him for minutes after he was already out, but the bystanders took part in punching his head & restraining him. The only thing that would've partly justified it is if the guy pulled a gun or knife, but even then --- he should have choked the man out, not choked him to death & then continue doing it just out of pure rage.

What's even sadder is the fact it was over toothpaste. Why the hell would you kill a guy who stole TOOTHPASTE. Sickening.

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Stealing a tube of toothpaste is illegal.... not bad
Beating a person to death is both bad and illegal. So we agree there.

It's not the crime of the century. Petty theft is just that. PETTY. I probably stole more candy as a child worth more than this tube of toothpaste. I did the wrong thing. I wasn't considered a bad child.

edit on 18-1-2013 by Human_Alien because: (no reason given)

I think that depends on your definition of bad.. Breaking the law is bad to me, it's pretty binary actually. I don't say "I only did this crime, im not that bad!" Someone makes a conscious choice to do something illegal then they have made the wrong choice and done something bad.

You can marginalize that all you want but the facts are if the guy didn't try and steal from a store, no matter how trivial that appears to you, then he would not have been in that situation.

This has to be the most mind-numbingly stupid thing I have ever read.

I'm not pulling any punches here because I read your other posts. Do you know how many stupid laws are in existence that you have probably broken without knowing? We could sit here and list tons of scenarios, but how 'bout just one:

I broke the fugitive slave law of 1850 by helping out a runaway slave form the antebellum south--am I bad? (this is a hypothetical to prove a point--I realize there is no way I could have broken this law as I was not alive during that time.....just in case somebody doesn't see what I'm doing here.)

Does anyone know the name of the pos scumbag who killed this guy? Anon should find his name, adress and phone number.

He deserved it, and merits no sympathy.

Not because of the toothpaste, but because of the fact that he intentionally and unnecessarily violated another's property.

Originally posted by ultimatelizardman
He deserved it, and merits no sympathy.

Not because of the toothpaste, but because of the fact that he intentionally and unnecessarily violated another's property.

Yep, let's instate the death-penalty for all shoplifters! Makes a lot of sense. He "deserved" it to be killed. Right.
/facepalm

I maintain that he deserved it, and merits no sympathy.

He could have asked for some toothpaste, some soap or some change politely, but he made the choice to use deception in order to violate another's property which suggests that he had no legitimate motive to obtain the goods he sought; it's probable that he was looking for random crap to trade for drugs/drug money and that his addiction (and very possible violence) was known to the local populace, hence why they "joined in".


@raelsatu: how dare you protect those who are on the path to eventually stabbing/shooting/otherwise harming vulnerable people, such as the elderly and the handicapped, for meager sums of money.

I simply disagree but let me clarify what I disagree on..

This concept of "he was desperate just give the $2 item" That is not the way it works in the real world. What if 10 homeless people just like that person show up and expect a $2 item for free? It could and would add up rather fast so please show me what business could survive with that mentality.

Their are no winners in this..
1. The person that made a choice to break the law paid the ultimate price and lost his life.
2. The idiots that killed him made the choice to act like animals and savages. Really the only acceptable outcome for them is long prison terms.

All that being said the origin point still remains the person from number 1 who made the choice to put this speicifc course of events into action.

Originally posted by yadda333
This has to be the most mind-numbingly stupid thing I have ever read.

I'm not pulling any punches here because I read your other posts. Do you know how many stupid laws are in existence that you have probably broken without knowing? We could sit here and list tons of scenarios, but how 'bout just one:

edit on 1/18/2013 by yadda333 because: (no reason given)

Please tell me exactly what I said that was stupid or wrong? Was it that part where I said the guy caused this situation by making a choice to steal something or was it the part where i called the people that killed him animals\savages and said they should go to prison because nothing about what they did was in self defense. I'm not going to debate if death is equal punishment for stealing a tube of toothpaste. Anyone with an ounce of humanity would agree its not. I am also not doing to debate the one and only cause of this situation and that was the person who chose to stole because that can't be disputed.

Which of those things is mind-numbingly stupid?

Originally posted by Raelsatu
Your perception of morality & punishment is quite disturbing.

No. the fact that sub-animals such as thieves, junkies, vandals and child molesters are almost never punished in western society, while people such as yourself protect them, is disturbing.

@magicwand67: unlike a "common thug on the street", i do not wish to harm those who mind their own buisness and respect the rules of society.

Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by yadda333
This has to be the most mind-numbingly stupid thing I have ever read.

I'm not pulling any punches here because I read your other posts. Do you know how many stupid laws are in existence that you have probably broken without knowing? We could sit here and list tons of scenarios, but how 'bout just one:

edit on 1/18/2013 by yadda333 because: (no reason given)

Please tell me exactly what I said that was stupid or wrong?

I quoted what was painfully naive, and I also clarified a couple posts down.