Two F-15s scrambled from Portland, escort jet into Seattle, page 4

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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 05:29 PM by Tancred

Originally posted by Superhans

Originally posted by ManOfHart
When there is a F-15 escort.
That means that they are only there to potentially shoot down the plane.
And everyone on board.
Everyone.

Just thought I would give a reminder to the subject.

Not really, I mean yes worse case scenario but that is similar to saying that when the cops show up to a crime scene that means that they are there to potentially shoot everyone, that is why they have guns.

In a situation like that they want to get planes up there quick, they are not going to send up another 747 or a helicopter to do an escort.

Hostages get shot by police while fleeing their captors all the time. And there may be several options available, but the minute you see a fighter escort outside of your passenger jet, you probably can't help but # your pants. Knowing that the government values your life a hell of a lot less than you do. The plane has insurance, the company cares little if it gets shot down.

reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 09:03 PM by Bedlam

Hey, Zaphod,

do the later fly-by-wire designs use 1553 control busses? Here's you a scenario - the hijackers plug a master into the bus somewhere and away you go, big RC plane.

reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 09:30 PM by WeBrooklyn

All of the replies have been very interesting, and I learned a few things while reading them, thanks.

So now I guess its a wait as to who made the call and why

Im a little confused, yea call me slow its been a long week, if your on a no fly list, but your on a flight anyway, what changed between checking your name and info at the airport to flying and fighter jets coming to escort?

reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 09:43 PM by Zaphod58

reply to post by Bedlam

The military side does, for the F-15, F-16, F-18, AH-64, P-3, and the F-20. It's in the process of being replaced by the IEEE 1394 though. The civilian side uses Arinc 429.

reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 09:47 PM by Zaphod58

reply to post by Tancred

But the military isn't the police. There are a LOT of steps that have to be followed before they even consider taking a shot at a civilian plane. And it has to go all the way up to the White House before they can take it. It's not like they go up to the plane, and the decision is made at the pilots level to take the shot.

reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 09:56 PM by Bedlam

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Bedlam

The military side does, for the F-15, F-16, F-18, AH-64, P-3, and the F-20. It's in the process of being replaced by the IEEE 1394 though. The civilian side uses Arinc 429.

Yeah, I only do mil side stuff. Can Arinc 429 be taken over by a spurious master? You can do it on 1553 if you design it right.

reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 10:20 PM by Zaphod58

reply to post by Bedlam

I don't believe it can. I'm not as up on that side either, but from what I've read about it, it doesn't sound like you can. I'm still looking for more documentation on it though. It's capable of being wired into 20 receivers per bus (dual wire strand).

www.actel.com...

reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 10:50 PM by Zaphod58

reply to post by Bedlam

www.aim-online.com...

From what I'm reading here (and I might be reading it wrong) Arinc 429 is a transmit only, unless it's set up to receive back from each receiver that's wired to the bus. So it might be able to, but you'd have to modify it to be able to.

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reply posted on 23-1-2013 @ 01:47 PM by Leonidas

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Leonidas

They ALWAYS fly in pairs. It doesn't matter if it's a ferry flight, or an alert flight, there is always more than one. That way if one has an emergency the wingman can read off the checklist for him, and he doesn't have to try to deal with the emergency AND the checklist. The only time they ever flew single ship, they had to have special permission, and another pilot type rated in that fighter in the boom pod of the tanker for every refueling.
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Thanks for clearing up my question on why two jets instead of one. Much appreciated.

Out of curiosity I would still like to find out what this was all really about.

reply posted on 26-1-2013 @ 08:45 PM by donaldsa

reply to post by WeBrooklyn

Thanks for the interesting post. I've been doing a lot of research lately and as far as military assets go, have been appalled at the fact the U.S. government is giving billions worth of destructive military assets to non-friendly Egypt (source here: www.dailysilvernews.com...). The author makes a great point that giving these types of assets, when the U.S. can't even pay their own bills, to non-ally Egypt is absurd and potentially even a national security risk.

Thoughts?

reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 01:29 PM by kori656