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If not made by intelligent extraterrestrials, what explains crop circles?

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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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What I find it appalling and again telling on the government logic is why these persons are not persecuted for vandalizing private and public property. Especially when there is a factual economic loss. I like to see some of the patterns, the really creative ones or those harder to implement
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by miniatus
.. and I work in 3d design myself.. you can come up with complex patterns easily .. then it's just a matter of logistics.. and I've seen these people pull off complex mathematical designs in a short space of time.. you can go from start ( design ) to finish ( doing it ) .. in a few hours..


It's not 3D, it's geometry. 2D is all that is necessary, and with planning, a few tools for guides and maybe some beer, anyone could have a go.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by ItDepends
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If not made by intelligent extraterrestrials, what explains crop circles?,

ummm, can we start with intelligent and clever humans first?

Peace!! ID


Thats often the point that concerns me. "clever humans"
Some (not all) crop circles would not have been easily made, and while I'm doubting they were made by aliens, I'm also doubting they were made by people out for a laugh.

There are a few circles that were made within 3 or 4 hours that are so large and complex it would have taken military style planning and a great number of people.

Who would go to all that trouble, and for what reason?

The creators of the large complex circles never come forward and remain unknown, so they obviously dont do it for fame, so why?

It's my belief that at least SOME of them are created by alphabet agencys, trying to keep those with open minds busy.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:19 PM
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Just like the video in your OP they are all hoaxes



Many people like to say "well they cant ALL be man made", well yes they can. Just like all magicians can not do real magic, its a trick. Some people know how its done and most others don't. Just because a lot of people dont understand or can not work out how its done does not mean it must be real. Dont be annoyed because you dont know how crop circles are made, i dont understand every magic trick ive ever seen, but i dont for one second think its real magic.

Feel free to check out my post on how they are made : Exposed : a guide to making crop circles

Humans like tricking other humans, it makes them feel special and clever..

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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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Alchol is a major factor many are within walking distanc of a pub. Tractors are also very helpful without their tracks they cannot magically appear.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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Theres one guy that makes snow circles far larger than any crop circle ever made. He does it all on his own and with a bad foot. Imagine what a team of people could do over night. A smaller design in just 6 hours? Yep..













Theres a lot more to see here www.dailymail.co.uk...

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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:29 PM
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My hypothesis is crop circles are made by archetypes of the collective unconscious. The very same archeypes that are mistaken for aliens, angels, faries, demons, ect.

"Everything about the crop circle subject when you get involved as deeply as I have really teaches you how real magic works and how it works in such a way that most people are not aware of. It's very hard to understand from the outside, you’ve got to be on the inside. But there’s nothing stopping anybody from getting on the inside. So if you think I am full of #, go and make a crop circle and don’t tell anyone and see what they say. Then you’ll see that what I am telling is true and you might have a paranormal experience whilst making the crop circle and you’ll come along and share my belief and everyone will call you a liar (all laugh).

It’s waiting to be exploited for anyone who’s willing to try it. Reality is not everything we think it is. I think it is more flexible than a lot of people give it credit for. I mean, these strange experiences are clues to the fact that things are not as solid as they appear to be and that there are other things out there to be discovered. The world is not just physical. Your whole life in some way should be dedicated to looking at these things, otherwise you may have a shock when you die. You may carry on…"


-Matthew Williams, circlemaker

The real/hoax dichotomy is false...

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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
It's my opinion that a Government is making most of the elaborate crop circles with direct energy weapons in the form of a satellite that can emit high powered microwaves. I think what we are seeing is this weapon being calibrated and they are showing the precision of such a weapon by printing an image across the landscape. I did a thread awhile back that explains it better.

Are crop circles the product of Direct Energy Weapons being calibrated?


But that would mean, they're deploying their weapons over England all the time. Seems a bit unlikely.

We know Doug and Dave retired a long time ago and we know, not one 'hoaxer' has come forward to rat his/her friends out even for a reward so....hoaxers are out (for 80% of them. the other 20% are obvious not up to the caliber of the more intricate ones).

So...if not alien?...my feeling was sound resonance. Maybe Gaia is starting to wake from her slumber (like we all have been the last 26,000 years) and she's jostling about and pitching sounds (Tao hum?) and doing with this video is doing only on deeper and more massive scale?





posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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No seriously it must be very artistic aliens who can't speak words and their patterns are their only form of communication even though they have traveled light years in an advanced spacecraft to get here !!!




posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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Very interesting but not the same. The whole laying down of wheat----bending, tucking and braiding each stalk is missing, So when you're missing a time-consuming component like that, how can you legitimately compare the two?

But it's very impressive non-the-less



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:36 PM
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Plenty of groups have owned up to making crop circles. But not many say which ones they have done because they dont want to be arrested for criminal damage.

see www.circlemakers.org...

Dont forget Mathew Williams (who was arrested and charged for criminal damaged making crop circles). TBH he dosent make the best circles and hes not very liked in the crop circle makers world because he gives away the secrets so many other groups wont work with him. Either way he does explain the basics of how they are made.




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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by pacifier2012
No seriously it must be very artistic aliens who can't speak words and their patterns are their only form of communication even though they have traveled light years in an advanced spacecraft to get here !!!



Universal symbols my friend. Ever wonder why this little planet is so segregated? It's because we speak over 6000 languages and we're the SAME race.

There's a way every race in the Omniverses (that are on the same astral plain) can communicate with one another. Telepathy is another way. But alas, we pre-schoolers are nowhere near accepting that let alone, grasping that. So this can be an attempt to subliminally get us started. Maybe in another 1000 years we'll 'get it'

You my friend have a little bit of evolving to do yourself



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien
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Very interesting but not the same. The whole laying down of wheat----bending, tucking and braiding each stalk is missing, So when you're missing a time-consuming component like that, how can you legitimately compare the two?


Well the snow circles take a couple of days for 1 guy on his own and the crop circles take 6-8 hrs using a team people that can be for example 6. So with the team you could do a much smaller design (which crop circles always are) in 6 x shorter amount of time. Also is much easier and faster to make crop circles when there's a team of people. because while some are stomping others are marking out the design.

Also a lot of the larger crop circles (which are smaller than Mr Becks snow circles) do sometimes take 2 days to complete , there plenty of cases of this if you search the internet.

So they are comparable


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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by PhoenixOD


Plenty of groups have owned up to making crop circles. But not many say which ones they have done because they dont want to be arrested for criminal damage.




I'm not saying some groups aren't responsible for these (see: 20%) but they are not executing them in the same time frame nor the same intricacy. I am not a specialist in the field. I leave that up to all the; Nancy Talbot ,Collin Andrews and the like out there who devote all their time into this... and they conclude most of them are not man-made.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
It's my opinion that a Government is making most of the elaborate crop circles with direct energy weapons in the form of a satellite that can emit high powered microwaves. I think what we are seeing is this weapon being calibrated and they are showing the precision of such a weapon by printing an image across the landscape. I did a thread awhile back that explains it better.

Are crop circles the product of Direct Energy Weapons being calibrated?


But that would mean, they're deploying their weapons over England all the time. Seems a bit unlikely.

We know Doug and Dave retired a long time ago and we know, not one 'hoaxer' has come forward to rat his/her friends out even for a reward so....hoaxers are out (for 80% of them. the other 20% are obvious not up to the caliber of the more intricate ones).

So...if not alien?...my feeling was sound resonance. Maybe Gaia is starting to wake from her slumber (like we all have been the last 26,000 years) and she's jostling about and pitching sounds (Tao hum?) and doing with this video is doing only on deeper and more massive scale?





It's not all the time. Most crop circles appear throughout the summer months and at certain times of the day. Usually nighttime. Most likely the time that satellite or satellites are orbiting the area. How would England know what or whos doing it since most think it's people with boards or Aliens? I know humans are amazing but no way are we creating in short time spans what is being discovered. Some of the simple ones yes, I can accept people are imitating them, but not ones like the alien or the face that appeared 3d.

Could it be Gaia? Could be, but it also could be some kind of weaponry that is orbiting the planet.

The military had high power microwave technology which they were using as a direct energy weaponry since at least the 70's. This is when circles really started to appear elaborate rather than just simple swirls in the grain. As the decades past the circles became more elaborate, just as the high power microwave technology happened to be advancing. Then in the 80's Reagan pushed for 'star wars' type defense which was most likely already in the works since Tesla discovered direct energy could be used as a weapon roughly a 100 years ago.

The capability for the Government to do this does exist.
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:52 PM
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Of course there are plenty of people making money off books and lectures and some just for fame saying they are not real but at the same time there are plenty of other people saying they are fake. there's plenty of people showing how they are made. There's plenty of people who even own up to making them. Its all done in the summer months when its nice and warm and dry here in the UK (especially in the south west).

I live in the South West of England where they are made, everyone round here knows they are just man made. The rest of the world is left wondering. Its all a big joke really. Though not all the farmers think its funny at all. But saying that i know some of the farmers charge people to look at the circle once they are made, mainly to recoup the cost of the damage. They certainly dont want people thinking they are man made at that point, they want people to come and pay to see them. Some of them even make up a bit of a story to keep people interested.

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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by FyreByrd
I like this topic and I like Crop Circles.

My current best hypothesis is that they arrise in areas with a high water table and 'conductive' soil from the collective subconscience speaking to (or trying to) our collective conscience.

What do you think?


I'm now on a similar boat to this.
After studying cymatics im starting to think there manifestations either from our collective consciousness, the earth, or them.

Im 100% sure the REAL ones (which is about 20%) are not made by humans, or at least technology known to the public.

Extended nodes, changes in cell structure, increased radiation... Pffft that aint no plank of wood.
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:55 PM
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Hey Phoenix, those are so awesome, never saw anything in snow like that, really nice photos. Thanks for sharing!!


Peace!! ID



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:55 PM
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The only thing that bothers me about the Hoax argument is that it has been suggested that crop circles have been appearing as far back as 2000 years ago. I can't find the article I read, but I'll search for it. If I find it, I'll put it up.

I can accept that SOME of the crop circles were made by humans, but there are some that seem to be too complex for someone to do at night in a few hours. Given that they are so well constructed and so massive, I have a hard time believing that there were made by us simply because most people on the planet can't draw a picture with their eyes closed! Know what I mean? Unless they had a high enough vantage point to overview the creation, it would be pretty damn hard for them to get the near perfect geometries that we see....

Just my 2 cents. I'm on the fence about it to tell you the truth.

Way back in 2007 in one of my first threads ever I suggested that we do a Crop Circle experiment. Find an open field and start the basic outline of a crop circle. Something simple, like a depiction of our solar system. But leave it incomplete and tell NO ONE about it. My logic is that IF aliens are involved, maybe they'd take the invitation to finish it....
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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Crops circles are just Chuck Norris' way of telling corn that sometimes it needs to lay down.



On topic, I don't really know what causes them, either some kind of natural phenomenon or kids playing with boards.

I don't discount the idea of aliens being behind it, but it does seem like a very low tech way of communication for a species capable of inter star travel...

~Tenth






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