47 States Revolt Against Obama Gun Control, page 12


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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 03:39 AM by MajorKarma
Originally posted by Raelsatu
Revolting against such legislation may be the right mindset, but why were there no such rallies/revolts for the signing of the NDAA indefinite detention provision? Which is about to be signed again, with an even worse provision....

People take their 2nd amendment rights very seriously, but the NDAA completely undermines the 5th & 14th amendment. The "Patriot" Act also undermines the validity of multiple amendments. Neither of these were barely contested on the level that these new gun bans are. & These gun bans aren't even blanket bans. The aforementioned laws completely circumvent 'guaranteed' Constitutional rights.
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Your observations are correct; something serious should have been done to stop/repeal the Patriot Act and NDAA Bill and in my opinion Bush, Obama and all those with them should have been Impeached or by some means held accountable for the direct attack upon and violations of our Constitution and certainly the violations of their Oaths of Office.

Most Human Beings have become very lazy, self serving and don't give a sh-t about much until it impacts them up close and personal and where Fire Arms are concerned, attacks upon the 2nd Amendment and the rights to bear arms are plenty up close and personal.

You appear "Awake" so, I am going to suggest that you take an open minded look and consideration of the information put forth in this documentary. Unfortunately, it is broken into 40 parts but if you care enough, you will find all 40 pieces/clips for The Arrivals. I am a White Anglo Saxon American, as American as it gets and am not a Muslim but I was seriously disturbed and provoked by the information and facts these guys brought together.

Whatever the case here is Part 1 on YouTube, if you make it through Part 20, you will not stop there because the video really will open your eyes:

There is a a serious effort to repress this documentary, including by those who wish to deny the facts presented so, consider it a test to see all parts of The Arrivals and then decide for yourself.
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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 03:42 AM by SourGrapes
Originally posted by ototheb85
I hope his successful and your lovely weapons get banned!


You will regret having this position. I am 100% confident that you will absolutely regret that. Whether anyone here wants to admit it, or not, America IS the world police. Disarm us and all other nations will be sitting ducks.

I know it is very difficult for those that are stuck in one dimension of thinking to understand the complexity behind our being armed. I'm not at all concerned with changing your mind, nor educating you. I could care less about you, I am now in survival mode of me and mine.

I no longer believe that we can help those that don't help themselves. Nor can we have a logical discussion or debate. The world is brutal and it's about to be tilted into a new kind of brutality. A truth (or consequence) that has always prevailed throughout history is that the strong will survive.

Those that choose to rely and depend on others for their survival will be the first to go. Oh, and before you go all straw-man on me, I'll make this point: I am OBVIOUSLY not talking about those that cannot make the choice themselves to be dependent on others (you know, the ones the left like to hang their hats on), I am pointing at you and the rest that CHOOSE to be dependent and controlled. 'Choice' is funny, isn't it? I mean, we all have to live with the consequences of our choices.

Freedom isn't a privilege, it is independence. With our independence, we have the freedom to do and be all we can be, and the freedom to do and be nothing. With the freedom to succeed , comes the freedom to fail. We have too many failures in this nation. Time to give the failures of this nation the freedom to fail.

I'm so tired of the progressive crap about who I am and what I believe. I no longer give a damn. I'm a racist, bible-thumping, abortion hating, gun-toting redneck. It is what it is and I am what I am. Flame away.
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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 03:55 AM by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by TrueAmerican


Thousands do not represent hundreds of millions. I really wish people would stop being deceitful in an effort to make it look as though a small fraction of people are an army.

I could say that 47 states agree that fish tacos are delicious and be just as accurate as whoever is responsible for the title of this thread. The truth of the matter is the majority of America supports Obamas gun control measures.

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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:04 AM by sonnny1
reply to post by SpookyVince


Tyranny is exactly what this is about.

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpation's of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair. The people, without exaggeration, may be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate. Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpation's of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. How wise will it be in them by cherishing the union to preserve to themselves an advantage which can never be too highly prized. The Federalist Papers : No. 28, Hamilton


One cannot "take back" without being armed. People see this for what it is. A power grab, by "executive" decision or actions, or whatever other word you want to place after it.

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. ~ Mao


40 million Chinese couldn't defend themselves against the Cultural Revolution. They just died.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:13 AM by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by ANNED


Removed it myself.
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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:19 AM by theAnswer1111
reply to post by skepticconwatcher
You just brought a comparison to fish tacos into a gun control debate. Wow. Your opinion is misguided.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:19 AM by SpookyVince
Originally posted by twitchy
Originally posted by SpookyVince
I can't see how you would have less liberty and freedom if guns were simply banned.

If you really can't see the irony in that statement, then how can you see the point we're trying to make at all?


No irony there.

Your liberty ends where mine starts. By removing guns from people, all the people have the same liberty. Do not tell me it is to protect yourself. Protect yourself against who or what?

If people feel so much the urge to shoot at anything that moves in their garden, it is because they expect anyone or anything out there to be armed as well. If the burglar who's attempting at your house feels so much the need to shoot at you, it is because they expect you to shoot at them too.

It is like in the cold war with the nukes. It is a balance of fears. How negative is this?

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by SpookyVince

One cannot "take back" without being armed. People see this for what it is. A power grab, by "executive" decision or actions, or whatever other word you want to place after it.

So you bluntly dare to declare that people in the US do not accept their government's decisions, nor rules for the matter. You don't want "executive" decisions.

So why the hell do you still elect anyone to the head of your country?

So why do you need any rules at all???

So why do you defend your laws then???

You are just so contradicting everything.

Same with the (so awfully insufficient) health care, or Obamacare as it was nicknamed.

It is not about protecting your "rights". No. It is about evolving. It is about accepting that times change, that people change, and that laws can change. Even if it has been deemed "unalienable". Intelligence is about admitting that what was yesterday, may not sill be today. That is true even for truth itself.

The 2nd amendment has lived. It is outdated. It is unnecessary. It is time to amend it. If things were to never change, you wouldn't have a 2nd amendment in the first place.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:21 AM by theAnswer1111
reply to post by skepticconwatcher
Are you trying to incite violence with this comment?



reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:25 AM by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by theAnswer1111


I already removed it, but the sentiment remains. I cannot wait.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:25 AM by SourGrapes
Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by ANNED


Please revolt. I beg you guys. Just do it so it can be dealt with once and for all. Please revolt.

PLEASE.

I am soooo begging you to revolt.


I believe ANNED is referring to the progressives that will be revolting. I don't see the liberty-slinging-gun-toting nuts letting go of their weapons anytime soon. Therefore, I believe the line will be drawn in the sand and it will be the left progressives that are revolting.

ANNED brought up the weakening of the democratic states, while the republican states will continue to grow stronger, Therefore, the gun-wielding states won't have to revolt; as they only have to simply stand their ground.

So, you must be referring to the anti-gunners when you are calling for a revolt...in this case, I may have to side with you. Revolt, please I'm soooo beggin you to revolt. (tic)

BTW, I believe it will be the anti-gun progressives revolting due to their realizing they were wrong and will be extremely angry about being lied to and led into poverty, famine, and slavery.

This explains his "two years" prediction.

Remember to be careful what you wish for, as you may just get it.
edit on 18-1-2013 by SourGrapes because: edited to add tic to a comment I felt was cynical



reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:27 AM by eLPresidente
reply to post by SpookyVince


You completely missed the point of that image of the cycle.

You agreed with it, which is good, but you missed the point. Maybe try looking at it again and applying it to history and culture and the rise and fall of entire empires.

Interesting you brought up mutually assured destruction. That actually helps my argument.

What happened in the cold war? the world was on the brink of nuclear destruction, people were buying nuclear fallout shelters and stocking up but nothing happened. The two nations jointly decided that mutually assured destruction was not worth it so they gave it up.

Over 70% of gun deaths are gang related, you can't just overlook that fact because you CHOOSE to, facts don't work that way. If you want to bring up Lanza, sure I don't mind because I know the numbers of death by semi-auto assault rifles and hand guns are extremely low, less than 100 in fact.

Lastly, we don't care if other people see us as cowboys. We have a birth right to defend ourselves and our freedom and liberties, it is inherent, it is unalienable. YOU have that right as well and it is up to YOU how you choose to preserve those freedoms.

And please don't go around telling people how gun owners and second amendment advocates are violent people, I always preach about how the pen is mightier than the sword and of course, I act on that ideology.


reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:29 AM by SourGrapes
Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by skepticconwatcher
You just brought a comparison to fish tacos into a gun control debate. Wow. Your opinion is misguided.



Thanks! Now I'm hungry!

I miss wahoos (and cabo wabo).

Back to revolting and fish control...er, 'I mean gun' control
edit on 18-1-2013 by SourGrapes because: I was typing wahoos (fish tacos), but thinking tequila (cabo wabo)



reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:31 AM by VikingWarlord

The 2nd amendment has lived. It is outdated. It is unnecessary. It is time to amend it. If things were to never change, you wouldn't have a 2nd amendment in the first place.
reply to post by SpookyVince


You are not from America, thus your stance on the 2nd amendment is not valid in any way shape or form. I could not give a crap what a foreign troll has to say in this matter.

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reply posted on 18-1-2013 @ 04:33 AM by sonnny1
Originally posted by SpookyVince

So you bluntly dare to declare that people in the US do not accept their government's decisions, nor rules for the matter. You don't want "executive" decisions.



Yep.

No President should have so much power. The Constitution isn't being followed. Its being circumvented, with loopholes.


Originally posted by SpookyVince
So why the hell do you still elect anyone to the head of your country?


Its how things are done in this Country. MANY Countries hold elections.


Originally posted by SpookyVince
So why do you need any rules at all???


Because humans are violent. Because people kill people. Because Governments kill people.

Originally posted by SpookyVince
So why do you defend your laws then???


Take the time to read the Constitution. The Deceleration, hell, take a history lesson at your local collage.

Originally posted by SpookyVince
You are just so contradicting everything.


And you are opinionated without facts.


Originally posted by SpookyVince
Same with the (so awfully insufficient) health care, or Obamacare as it was nicknamed.


Another example of BIG Government, telling the people they need something, and making them pay for it.

Originally posted by SpookyVince
It is not about protecting your "rights". No. It is about evolving. It is about accepting that times change, that people change, and that laws can change. Even if it has been deemed "unalienable". Intelligence is about admitting that what was yesterday, may not sill be today. That is true even for truth itself.


Wrong.

Again, study your History to see what this Country was founded on.

Originally posted by SpookyVince
The 2nd amendment has lived. It is outdated. It is unnecessary.


The Second Amendment is the ONLY thing keeping the other 9 alive.
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