Obama's Gun Control is NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL. Read this.

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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 02:49 PM
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Can you answer me why someone who is mentally "unstable" or a criminal even should own a gun?

Do you deny there are mentally disturbed people around...and do you deny that some/all of those recent "mass shootings" were committed by extremely whack, mentally disturbed people?

OH..WAIT: Since, in your opinion, all the shootings were "fake" and "false flags"...the question doesn't even come up, right?

So..in your opinion, there are NO mentally sick/disturbed people around who own guns..and they also never committed mass shootings in schools, malls and cinemas?

Ah...right...thanks...next.....




posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 02:52 PM
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So by your reasoning if statistics showed , for sake of illustration , that blacks committed more violent crimes(gun crimes) then they should not be allowed to own weapons or defend themselves?



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by NihilistSanta
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So by your reasoning if statistics showed , for sake of illustration , that blacks committed more violent crimes(gun crimes) then they should not be allowed to own weapons or defend themselves?


...Oh hell yeah brother. Finally turning that around on 'em.




posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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I'd love to live in your world, with group hugs and drum circles and hairy group sex. No really, that sounds like some really good times.

But I live in a real world, with a family to protect from the reality of murderers, drug dealers, rapists and the lot. Yes it really is a remote chance, but those people DO have weapons and if you are unlucky enough to get in their crosshairs, no amount of hugging or chakra cleansings will stop them from taking what they want, up to and including your life or the life of your loved ones.

Owning a weapon and having the resolve to use it should the need arise IS NOT akin to apathy towards fellow man, nor violence or bloodlust. I can love my brother (humanity), be peaceful in all my dealings and live the life you aspire to. It is simply logic and prudence to keep the means to defend yourself and your family, because (as so many have said before me) there are bad people out there who don't see the world as you do.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by NoJoker13


Paranoid much? I still haven't heard anything about taking semi-auto rifles off the shelves. Just a bunch of morons blowing this whole thing out of proportion, I'm sure buying every gun and every bullet off the shelves looks great for the NRA and the supporters of negative gun control.


They aren't bullets. They're called cartridges. That little thing on the tip that flies is a bullet.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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It is absurd to think that "mentally ill" people are the threat. I am about to link an article from after the Colorado shooting claiming that most mass shooters are NOT mentally ill but they do seek revenge. The planning and complexity of their crimes if we believe the MSM shows that most of them are high functioning individuals. Ever met a real schizophrenic? I used to associate with many due to the homeless population in a city I lived in. One guy used to fist fight invisible robots all day, another used to babble at a brick wall with giant unkempt dreadlocks. These aren't the people you worry about arming themselves with expensive assault rifles infiltrating a high density building inconspicuously and executing people.

Obama is an open book. He appointed Holder as attorney general who is publicly antigun but at the same time they colluded to ship military weapons to Mexico....


Mass murderers often not mentally ill, but seeking revenge, experts say



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by blamethegreys
reply to post by uSNUUZuLUUz
 


I'd love to live in your world, with group hugs and drum circles and hairy group sex. No really, that sounds like some really good times.

But I live in a real world, with a family to protect from the reality of murderers, drug dealers, rapists and the lot. Yes it really is a remote chance, but those people DO have weapons and if you are unlucky enough to get in their crosshairs, no amount of hugging or chakra cleansings will stop them from taking what they want, up to and including your life or the life of your loved ones.

Owning a weapon and having the resolve to use it should the need arise IS NOT akin to apathy towards fellow man, nor violence or bloodlust. I can love my brother (humanity), be peaceful in all my dealings and live the life you aspire to. It is simply logic and prudence to keep the means to defend yourself and your family, because (as so many have said before me) there are bad people out there who don't see the world as you do.



What are you so scared of? Or you so messed up that you think everyone is a Criminal?, because of all the dirt you did, and how you separate yourself from society, and be a lone person in big world? Question, do even you know your neighbors?

In regards to protection, where do you draw the line? Do you need semi-automatics to shoot at Criminals? Do you need NUKES to defend yourself? Where would that leave the country or the world?

Why do you feel, that every crime warrants DEATH!? You sound like the old salem witch trials.. Burn her, she is a witch! Kill the criminal that busted down your door, for wanting to have bread and food and money like you do.

FEAR is the key. Nothing says your are so SCARED then by having a gun. you FEAR the criminal is going to take your life. You FEAR Death. You FEAR that the criminal will take your FOOD or your PROPERTY. You are SCARED of starving, and scared of having NO possessions.

Did Jesus have a stash of weapons to unload and protect his family? Did Martin Luther King, march down and shoot up as many people as he could?? No, do you know what they did, they went RIGHT INTO the face of danger with NO WEAPONS. They spoke. They realized that you don't fight fire with fire, you fight it with water. They knew you don't fight hatred with more hate, you fight it with love. That is true strength.

Be at one with yourself and your surroundings. Show real STRENGTH by not having a weapon. None. Perhaps the criminals may NOT attack, because they do not sense the fear. Perhaps the criminal needs food, so SHARE. Perhaps the criminal, needs money/clothing/possessions, so SHARE. Ever thought of that?

Perhaps if you used the rules you learned in kindergarten about sharing, someone would not try to rob you.

Fight if you must, and use your hand strength, but at the point of death, you should restrain. Everyone, including criminals have a right to live, no matter how messed up they are. The problem with guns is, that ANY shot can be lethal, so there is no restraint at the end of your defense.

ponder that.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by flexy123
reply to post by aryaputhra
 


Can you answer me why someone who is mentally "unstable" or a criminal even should own a gun?

Do you deny there are mentally disturbed people around...and do you deny that some/all of those recent "mass shootings" were committed by extremely whack, mentally disturbed people?

OH..WAIT: Since, in your opinion, all the shootings were "fake" and "false flags"...the question doesn't even come up, right?

So..in your opinion, there are NO mentally sick/disturbed people around who own guns..and they also never committed mass shootings in schools, malls and cinemas?

Ah...right...thanks...next.....


( bad english coming srry )


that's what i think !

Why law-breaker and mental-ill people should have guns ?

Why letting disturbed kids not having helps ?

Psy =/= taking drugs, some kids just need to talk about their problems and more.
And some are too much ill so they need medication.

And still. I HATE the argument "the 2nd amendement say that we can have assault rifles"

It's not true, In that times, they could'nt imagine a gun that fire 3-5 bullet a second.

If i fallow that broken logic, bazooka should be legal too.


Seriously, im from Quebec. And i start to came here because i like UFO and conspiracy. The virginia tech conspiracy was "fun" to read.

But now... Seeing pro-gun acting like that... I would BE SCARE AS S*** to live in the USA... They want to kill people that want to ban Assault gun... what the hell man ?

And you DONT NEEEEEEED assault gun... You just need that for killing A LOT of people...

Your gouvernement will not turn-over and kills you all... Stop thinking that, we are in 2013 !!!! 2013!!!!!!

If you were Russia, YEAH THEN I COULD UNDERSTAND. But man... You are USA. You got fair elections ( almost fair, because your lobby are too strong... So Compagny and money can run your country.... :S ... But Obama prouve that the money from the people can over-come the money from compagny ).

I will still read here, but gun-loving people... Stop wanting to kills other PLEASE... You look so violent and bad morale people...

And USA will ALWAYS have handgun and hunting gun. Losing assault gun = less death in mass shooting,

Because, USA will always have mass shooting... Because people there love gun and love violence...

At least without assault, you will give time to some people surviving these next shooting.

Anyways.... pro-gun should be less brainswash by Lobby... and Gun lobby in USA is one of the strongest ( funny how NOOOOOOOO conspiration are on Gun Lobby )

I even suspect Gun lobby to have make the "sandy hook is fake" conspiracy. Other conspiracy was more "fun", like ex-special military manchu agent being back to society and trigger a attack.

The sandy hook conspiracy are just so silly... and sad


All that for killing more people ( BECAUSE YES, ASSAULT ARE MADE FOR KILLING HUMANS IN MASS )

Handgun can be for "self-defense" assault gun... HELL NO. It's for attacking.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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Do you need semi-automatics to shoot at Criminals?
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Yes, they are needed. They are needed by the free and independent militias of the various states to take back this country from the criminal politicians, who have guards very well armed with all the weapons and ammo that they are trying to ban for the rest of us.
The day WILL come when the militias will take back this country from the criminals that have desecrated our Constitution, and eroded the Bill of Rights. The day has not yet come, but if these criminals keep taking freedoms away, the militias will act, I believe that with all my heart.
This is why the Second Amendment was created, not to protect against common street criminals, but despots like the imposter in the White House, who cannot even prove that he is a legal US citizen, and who has the sole purpose to destroy Democracy in America, and replace it with a dictatorship of left-wing socialist criminals.
Is that clear enough for you?



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by blamethegreys
 


Paranoid much? I still haven't heard anything about taking semi-auto rifles off the shelves. Just a bunch of morons blowing this whole thing out of proportion, I'm sure buying every gun and every bullet off the shelves looks great for the NRA and the supporters of negative gun control. I'm also sure that the NRA's lack of response on these situations was a GREAT idea, that is if they wanted the liberals to have the upper hand. Like I said before I have no problem with people owning whatever the hell they want, but the people who REALLY want this need to quit being idiots and formulate a better argument. Because guess what? The liberals seemed to be much more educated and have the degrees to back it, the NRA crowd has Ted Nugent and a bunch of lunatics who can't find anything better to say then "DON'T TOUCH MY GUN'S!!!!'.... AND "I'M NOT INSANE! YOU ARE!". I'm sure you can agree that those aren't great arguments for getting something not to happen.


If these 23 EO's are so benign, maybe you can explain why the President has spent 33 days making this his #1 focus while our nation rolls off a financial cliff?
I would like to see the anti-gun folks quit labeling people as gun nuts and simply explain which one of these 23 EO's would have prevented Adam Lanza? How about the Aurora shooting?
And if you havent heard aanyone talking about taking semi-automatic weapons off the shelf you havent been listening.
The President himself said he was going to pursue the and push the regulations Feinstein has been working on and that my friend is page 1. Recategorizing the "Assault Rifle" she wants to go from an AR being any gun with 2 military cosmetic features to 1. Pistol grip, flash suppressor - neither mean diddly squat to the function of the weapon yet either of those will make the gun banned.
And the reinstituting of the 1994 ban.
If you havent heard of this, you arent listening.
I believe fully in background checks, and ending loopholes in gun show purchases but the rest of this is just nonsense that does nothing except guarantee that we spend another 500 million bucks.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by FreeQuebec86

Originally posted by flexy123
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Handgun can be for "self-defense" assault gun... HELL NO. It's for attacking.


Attacking what exactly?

I have 2 Sig SP2022's with 10 round clips.
I'll give you an AR-15 with a 30 round clip and i'll bet you i can hit 30 targets more accurately and faster than you can and that with the fraction of a second it takes me to swap out clips.
Assault weapons are misleading.
They scare people who have no clue about guns because they look like the military counterpart.
One does not make laws and ban weapons because of the way something looks.
Do some research and you will find the AR-15 shoots a .223 caliber bullet.
That is a very common caliber used in hunting rifles all across the country.
The only thing common in all of these recent shootings are the following:
They were carried out by mentally unstable individuals that no laws could have or would have prevented them from getting their hands on the stuff.
And these unstable folks were "smart" enough to know that the locations they chose were gun free zones so there would be no resistance until they were finished.
Evil people exist and taking guns away wont solve that.
Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in less time than you can fire off a 30 round clip using common everyday materials to construct a bomb.
Those ingriedients are available today to every person in this country.

Sorry but in my opinion, this "gun control" is just the starting point to nickle and dime the 2nd ammendment over several generations to remove guns from Americans.
And since doing it all at once will never work, this is genius. 10 round clips today, 5 round clips tommorow and single shot weapons down the road.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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If these 23 EO's are so benign, maybe you can explain why the President has spent 33 days making this his #1 focus while our nation rolls off a financial cliff?
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I think you and I know the answer to that. When you have no solution, you DIVERT, DIVERT, and then DIVERT some more. He and his socialist friends have no understanding of economics, and how jobs are created, how to sty within a budget, and how all this welfare he is actually BEGGING people to sign up for, encourages people to stay unemployed rather than going out and looking for a job.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 07:59 PM
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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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It is foolish to let anything ride on hopes for effective gun control. As long as crime pays as well as it does, we will have plenty of it, and honest folk must choose between being victims and defending themselves.
Obama is makeing all Gun owners OutLaws....



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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Excellent breakdown. I have and will continue to link to your analysis.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 08:49 PM
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In many States there are only 2 reasons(check your State) to get a marriage license. Marrying outside of your race is one, and the other is if you are incompetent. So if you got a marriage license, and signed it, and you didn't marry outside your race, then you have declared yourself incompetent. Possibly, this could be used in court to take away some of your rights. One that comes to mind is the general grouping of items called guns.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by six67seven
the progressives.
the progressives

oh progressives...
"progressive"
the progressives
progressives
progressive
/rant
Im not sure what your trying to say?
In your "fair and balanced" post/


well i could continue.
since when are rants fair and balanced??
just because have much disdain for progressives, the current direction they are pushing our country and their ideology doesnt mean, by any standard, that i watch fox. i dont watch mainstream news of any kind; except the few times i catch meet the press on sunday mornings. im not republican, democrat, or party-affiliated. god forbid i be a person of awareness and conviction.

now, from your meaningless post, should i be prejugdice towards you?? shall i post innuendo and assumptions about you??

you may like to respond with something along the lines of "well, that is quite hypocritical of you since you state you have hate or disdain towards progressives, which must contain plenty of prejudice and assumption." and that might be a valid point... if we didn't know and understand the progressive ideology and paradigm. but we do know and understand it, and it fundamentally DOES NOT agree with my beliefs. my beliefs are consistent with the constitution, if you must know, or hadn't figured out yet.
edit on 18-1-2013 by six67seven because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 09:37 PM
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Great post OP.

I'd like to add how easily these measures can be extended to restrict even more rights.

Since the main objective is to stop the mentally unstable from access to guns if any
person in a household has been diagnosed or prescribed medication for ADD or
depression or takes Xanax or Prozac or Valium or anything related that household
and all its occupants could/would be restricted from having firearms.

Though this may not be stipulated yet, it is not only plausible, but a probable consequence
of the proposed infringements on the 2nd--If you have a "crazy" person in the house the
dwelling is disallowed from firearms...thereby taking away the rights of many "stable" law-abiding
citizens as well



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus



If these 23 EO's are so benign, maybe you can explain why the President has spent 33 days making this his #1 focus while our nation rolls off a financial cliff?
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I think you and I know the answer to that. When you have no solution, you DIVERT, DIVERT, and then DIVERT some more. He and his socialist friends have no understanding of economics, and how jobs are created, how to sty within a budget, and how all this welfare he is actually BEGGING people to sign up for, encourages people to stay unemployed rather than going out and looking for a job.


Oh I think he and his socialist friends have quite the understanding of economics.... I think it's very clear he is an elitist and very arrogant. I think he chooses to go a completely different direction... which really isn't much of a "choice" as it is "from his playbook" because if he is anything but a capitalist, then he must push to change America.




"We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America"

... Candidate Barack Obama (October 30, 2008)



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:04 AM
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I think people are just upset anymore due to the information that just keeps changing. I've seen this video linked everywhere now...

www.youtube.com...

About the whole "only handguns" thing admitted, and so I can wager a guess that with all of the radical changes, a few individual's toes are going to be stepped on. Still, I have to agree, there is an utter, if not total, fear that is consuming people right now. A fear that they will be stuck in a militant society and all they will have left to "defend" themselves with against the "evil government" will be guns manufactured with restrictions of one type or another.

I understand the reactions, just not the fear based upon assumptions of where the country is headed.





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