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Obama's Gun Control is NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL. Read this.

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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 07:27 AM
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A very slippery slope we're going down...
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It's really more like a "cliff" than a slope. At some point, this country will hit the canyon floor, and that point will be when open rebellion starts.
That will happen when the brain dead people wake from the dead, and realize that this current direction is leading the rest of us and them into a complete dictatorship.
Right now, the social media sites give them the illusion that they are free. It reminds me of the old Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man:. For those too young to remember or have seen it:
www.imdb.com...

edit on 18-1-2013 by ProfEmeritus because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 07:51 AM
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Since the government wont successfully be able to disarm the public by a mere Presidential Order, they will sneak in another way, seemingly as an appealing logic, and that is to keep crazies from having guns. On the face of it, nearly everyone would agree in principal that this is sound reasoning.

But by what measure could one be found 'crazy, mentally unhealthy' or whatever title is successful in forwarding their agenda in disarming the public? I believe it will be anything demonstrating any deviance from a set standard. And that standard could have broad reach. Anyone on a medication, anyone who consumes alcohol, or Marijuana, or has a particular religious affiliation, or who practices preparedness or survivalism or perhaps those wishing to stay off the grid. The list could be made (very likely in secret as is 0bama's method) to include nearly everyone not in complete and narrow cooperation with the powers that be. Even being a patriot might be interpreted as being mentally ill or hostile, or enough to land on the list of mentally unstable individuals. Defining 'mental health' could be a very slippery slope, and subverted in such a way so as to neutralize any dissent thusly prohibiting citizens the right and ability and means to stop the infringement.
It will in all likelihood become a trap to exclude most of the public from being termed mentally stable.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 08:10 AM
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The question we should all be asking ourselves is, WHO wants the American people disarmed, and WHY?


The ones who know that there's a pending GLOBAL financial collapse just around the corner that will lead the sane to the insane when the majority can't afford food any longer.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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One of my first thoughts on this topic was the same as the writer mentioned.
This is not about taking away our guns....right now.
Its about setting up future generations for disarming.
One thing i havent seen mentioned yet sticks out in my mind is the fact that they are talking about restricting gun sales to anyone with "Mental Health" issues.
This is where they are goingto win, look at our schools today; virtually every other kid is on some sort of medication because they are deemed ADHD or OCD.
My guess is that we will see where anyone on that medication will be barred from ever owning/legally purchasing a gun.
I see a day where you at the age of 30 will still not be able to have a weapon because at the age of 6 you took Rytallin or Prozac etc.
Anti-gun groups and left wingers are all jumping for joy for this "Common sense" approach to gun control yet they are blind to the fact that they are agreeing to dissolve their childrens rights with their actions today.
This issue is larger than anyone really knows, lack of foresight is going to kill our nation.
Once the nation is disarmed over the next few generations then we will get to watch the rest of the constitution be scrapped.
Guns are the only thing standing between the commom man and the elitist who think they know whats best for us.
I find it extremely troubling that so many today are willing to allow another man to tell them how to live and to think for them. Maybe this is what they mean by the "Zombie" apocolypse.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 08:59 AM
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If they can't do it through the front door the sneaky bas#& come in through the back door it's a tried and true method for them.If you didn't have a good reason to keep your guns before this should be a very good reason.

I seriously doubt congress even read the bill.They couldn't have,I'm sure it was drawn up well before sandy hook happened.Just like the patriot act was drawn up before 911

"The agenda"is coming to a city and state near you...hold on "folks"



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 09:41 AM
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this is why we need to get our governors to act together now and divorce the govt. here are specifics they can do.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 10:05 AM
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I live in MA where we already have extensive background checks, take that off the list. I live in MA where you can't own an automatic weapon aka an assault rifle, take that off the list. I live in MA where you can't purchase a gun if you've committed a felony, of any type, take that off the list. Everything else in the bill seems pretty reasonable to me, more money for psychiatric drug research, further restrictions for people living with psychiatric people. Harsher penalties for gun abuse, wait I live in MA they're already there, 6 years for a unlicensed firearm one year more for each bullet in the magazine, possible life in prison for a unlicensed unlawful automatic weapon. Hmmmm my life still seems fine, I'm allowed to own weapons, I have no need for automatics, and magazines over 10 rounds don't matter because I can cycle a mag in a second. So what are we blowing up about here? I mean I agree everything in America should be free but lets get this straight, the NRA and gun advocates need a better argument then "these guns are mine, my right, and you CAN'T HAVE THEM!!!". Since the new liberal base is much more highly educated I suggest playing ball and upping your game.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 10:07 AM
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Also there will eventually be an event that repeals many of these laws. Possibly the next president? Possibly a tragedy where someone didn't have enough bullets to defend themselves. There is always a seesaw effect and the terms will change in the long run.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus


A very slippery slope we're going down...
reply to post by eLPresidente
 

It's really more like a "cliff" than a slope. At some point, this country will hit the canyon floor, and that point will be when open rebellion starts.
That will happen when the brain dead people wake from the dead, and realize that this current direction is leading the rest of us and them into a complete dictatorship.
Right now, the social media sites give them the illusion that they are free. It reminds me of the old Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man:. For those too young to remember or have seen it:
www.imdb.com...

edit on 18-1-2013 by ProfEmeritus because: (no reason given)



You mean just like the Civil war and the addition to Slavery??

right now americans are ADDICTED to GUNS, the same way we were ADDICTED to SLAVERY.
Does this sound familiar? You will NOT take our SLAVES!!! Same as "You will NOT take our GUNS."

When will everyone realize that guns are not right. Do you believe in Jesus or Buddha, etc? If so, would they carry guns or weapons?? Would they fight and KILL for protection?? NO. Honestly Nobody life is worth more than another person's life. We are all equal. No matter how bad or messed up, or criminal you are, we are all the same. No one deserves to die. Everyone needs help, and some need help more than others.

That person that tries to rob you. Perhaps they are poor and hungry and that's all they know (Go see the movie Les Miserables, and about forgiveness with the criminal Jean Valjean). Perhaps they need whatever they stole from you, more than what you do. Perhaps you give it to them, and ask if they need more.

Guns only begat more violence. All it takes is for someone with an anger problem to then feel that they can take another's life, and then they can do it easily.

We as americans are addicted to POWER. Having a gun provides a false sense of POWER. Which means those who own guns are WEAK. You can't solve your problems with words, or your hands, that you must take a weapon. WEAK. We as americans are FEARFUL. Why are you so scared of your fellow man, that you need to own a killing machine? Do you need to own NUKES as well? for proection? At what point, do you stop being SCARED, and face the truth of reality, and help your fellow human.

We all need help. We must all choose NOT to be SCARED. Be strong, without a weapon. Help those that transgress against you. Solve your problems with your fellow man. Stop trying to be BETTER than anyone else. We are all the same.

Just like Slavery was WRONG. Gun ownership is wrong as well. Yes in the 1600's and 1700's and 1800's, slavery was OK, and so was guns. Because we hadn't EVOLVED far enough consciously yet. Hopefully by now, in the year 2013, we will WAKE UP and expand our consciousness to know that slavery is bad, as well as having an easy killling machine such as a gun is wrong. Not one life should be taken no matter how bad they are. enlighten one another, and realize you are only as strong as your weakest link. Think about the homeless and the less fortunate than your self.

A good man with a fist may kill one or two before being tackled. A good man with a knife may cause a lot of blood but maybe only 2-3 people before he gets tackled. however a good man with a gun can kill 20 people in a less than a minute. Does that seem right to you? What are you scared of? FACE YOUR FEAR. head on.

When the POWER of LOVE, overcomes the love of power, the WORLD will know PEACE.

An Eye for an Eye, leaves everyone Blind.

You don't fight hatred with more hatred, you fight it with Love. You don't fight FIRE with FIRE, you fight it with WATER.

ponder on those thoughts.

namaste.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 10:43 AM
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Anyone who is classified with a criminal record (this could be even you with a speeding ticket /DUI) will not be allowed by the system to own a gun.


Please direct me to the section in Obama's gun control proposal that states anyone with a speeding ticket or DUI on their record will be prohibited from buying a gun.

FYI, speeding ticket convictions do not appear on one's criminal record. They only place those appear is on one's driving record.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything in your link that states anyone with ANY KIND of criminal record will be prohibited from buying a gun.

I am an advocate for gun ownership and I do not believe further restrictions on gun ownership are going to prevent shooting massacres, but let's keep it real.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 10:43 AM
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This is how I know every move Obama takes is about having absolute control of the people.

Death by rifles nationwide (includes every type of rifle): 323

Death by hand-guns nationwide: 6,220

Death by blunt objects: 496

Please tell me how this "assault" weapons ban will significantly curb gun violence.

Source:FBI- Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Note: Yes, I know this table is for 2011, but the only tables that are up for 2012 are preliminary tables that only account for crime between January-June. Looking at the statistics for the past ten years, it is safe to assume similar numbers for 2012.
edit on 1/18/13 by SmoothRhythm because: typo
edit on 1/18/13 by SmoothRhythm because: Note



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 11:29 AM
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Your point is clear. If there are no guns among the public, then control is dominant over the ones who do have the guns.

This bill is useless to those that non-comply, and it's hard to find those that are willing to non-comply in the face of authority (Due to their intimidating nature).

To add to your point, I believe it's time we be the intimidating one for a change. To whom? To our public servants.It's like they are ransacking the place, raping the planet for resource all in the name of "Greed"

Just a note of curiosity, what if, their only facade or their life line was cut off right now? What if they all of a sudden couldn't tell one lie ever again? Now that would be something.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 11:37 AM
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Great post, you really break it down in a way I could never do, simply awesome how a little thinking and research brings up so many good points, keep it up man!



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 11:42 AM
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You mean just like the Civil war and the addition to Slavery?? right now americans are ADDICTED to GUNS, the same way we were ADDICTED to SLAVERY. Does this sound familiar? You will NOT take our SLAVES!!! Same as "You will NOT take our GUNS."
reply to post by uSNUUZuLUUz
 

You absolutely win the booby prize prize for the most inane post I have seen in months. Comparing this to slavery is beyond reason. Take a logic course, then come back and have a logical debate.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 12:16 PM
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Really. Think about it. Most of the real damage that has been done here is when you read between the lines. I don't think you have to worry so much about a gun ban right now as you do what is implicit in the details of what Obama and the MSM have been saying in the last few days.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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Same here.
5 years ago in NC I couldn't get a handgun permit because I was being treated for Anxiety Disorder.
In hindsight that seems like a good call to me.
My friend couldn't get one because of an outstanding bad check in another state from 10 years ago that she didn't even know about.

These "new" laws dont seem that crippling.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 12:22 PM
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Eventually, it will lead to the State thinning the population and gene pool by euthanizing those with traits that the State does not deem to be suitable for the hive.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by NoJoker13
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I live in MA where we already have extensive background checks, take that off the list. I live in MA where you can't own an automatic weapon aka an assault rifle, take that off the list. I live in MA where you can't purchase a gun if you've committed a felony, of any type, take that off the list. Everything else in the bill seems pretty reasonable to me, more money for psychiatric drug research, further restrictions for people living with psychiatric people. Harsher penalties for gun abuse, wait I live in MA they're already there, 6 years for a unlicensed firearm one year more for each bullet in the magazine, possible life in prison for a unlicensed unlawful automatic weapon. Hmmmm my life still seems fine, I'm allowed to own weapons, I have no need for automatics, and magazines over 10 rounds don't matter because I can cycle a mag in a second. So what are we blowing up about here? I mean I agree everything in America should be free but lets get this straight, the NRA and gun advocates need a better argument then "these guns are mine, my right, and you CAN'T HAVE THEM!!!". Since the new liberal base is much more highly educated I suggest playing ball and upping your game.


You are quite right...likewise everyone who owns more than one typewriter, or votes, or surfs the internet, or uses a lawyer had have a better argument than "this is my right!"

I agree with you, the NRA and legal gun owners need to step up their game and that is framing the argument in the realm of rights that the left pretends to respect.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by Sabreblade
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Same here.
5 years ago in NC I couldn't get a handgun permit because I was being treated for Anxiety Disorder.
In hindsight that seems like a good call to me.
My friend couldn't get one because of an outstanding bad check in another state from 10 years ago that she didn't even know about.

These "new" laws dont seem that crippling.



Oh, but the State will expand it's criteria to whatever it wants as an excuse to disarm the population, so the State will have absolute control of everyone, and determine who lives and who doesn't, for as "human resource units", people are simply property of the State.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by NoJoker13
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I live in MA where we already have extensive background checks, take that off the list. I live in MA where you can't own an automatic weapon aka an assault rifle, take that off the list. I live in MA where you can't purchase a gun if you've committed a felony, of any type, take that off the list. Everything else in the bill seems pretty reasonable to me, more money for psychiatric drug research, further restrictions for people living with psychiatric people. Harsher penalties for gun abuse, wait I live in MA they're already there, 6 years for a unlicensed firearm one year more for each bullet in the magazine, possible life in prison for a unlicensed unlawful automatic weapon. Hmmmm my life still seems fine, I'm allowed to own weapons, I have no need for automatics, and magazines over 10 rounds don't matter because I can cycle a mag in a second. So what are we blowing up about here? I mean I agree everything in America should be free but lets get this straight, the NRA and gun advocates need a better argument then "these guns are mine, my right, and you CAN'T HAVE THEM!!!". Since the new liberal base is much more highly educated I suggest playing ball and upping your game.


You are quite right...likewise everyone who owns more than one typewriter, or votes, or surfs the internet, or uses a lawyer had have a better argument than "this is my right!"

I agree with you, the NRA and legal gun owners need to step up their game and that is framing the argument in the realm of rights that the left pretends to respect.


One thing that needs to be done is to educate the population on the concepts of liberty, on what tyranny is, and frame the 2nd Amendment, as well as the rest of the Bill of Rights in that context.






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