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If we could point to the Second Amendment as written and say it simply says what it says and holds no more meaning either good or bad, then you'd be technically right. Any regulation is too much regulation and any law, of any kind, is a violation of the 2nd.
That's honestly not how it can be looked at though, with all due respect on this. The way the system works is as much to our benefit as citizens as to our detriment at times but the Constitution is subject to interpretation. Only one of the 3 branches gets that power and, as it happens, it's about the only real power they DO get but the Judicial branch wields enough that way when they get the issues brought to them to look at.
In our benefit ..Well, the Heller case made absolute law for now and forever ..or until the court reverses itself entirely and that's a rare thing,.. that firearms ownership is a personal and individual right. That cannot be banned. It's in no way connected to membership in a Militia or other organization. Yay for that. It was a near thing and losing that decision would have been absolutely catastrophic.
They also said....it could be regulated. It's a backhanded gift. Similarly, Obama got to keep Obamacare ...but the court allowed any state to opt out entirely if they so chose and couldn't be retaliated against by the Federal Government in things like the Medi- program funding to force compliance.
now will the court hold strong ..AND get the issues before them in a way they can act on? Both things have to happen, IMO..and I'm not positive how they get the EO's put before them.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by hawkiye
If we could point to the Second Amendment as written and say it simply says what it says and holds no more meaning either good or bad, then you'd be technically right. Any regulation is too much regulation and any law, of any kind, is a violation of the 2nd.
That's honestly not how it can be looked at though, with all due respect on this. The way the system works is as much to our benefit as citizens as to our detriment at times but the Constitution is subject to interpretation. Only one of the 3 branches gets that power and, as it happens, it's about the only real power they DO get but the Judicial branch wields enough that way when they get the issues brought to them to look at.
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The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.
In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.
We can't take the good and toss the bad though..and that crosses amendments as well as aspects of just the 2nd. The Constitution is a package deal, not a buffet after all.
Originally posted by RobertF
That is the way it was written, our founders were intelligent people, they knew the time would come when this would be needed, otherwise it would not have been included.
This was not written to benefit our government, it was written to allow a measure of protection to "THE PEOPLE" from our government. The branches of our government only have power because we allow it, but the constitution also guarantees that we have the power to remove that power if we deem it tyrannical. Without out the "arms" we have little to defend with...
Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
We can't take the good and toss the bad though..and that crosses amendments as well as aspects of just the 2nd. The Constitution is a package deal, not a buffet after all.
Baloney! We are absolutely supposed to take the good and toss the bad That how we make progress. If the SC only gets it 90% right that does not mean we have to accept the 10% they got wrong. The SC is not the law if they make a mistake they need to be held accountable. They are not the final arbitrators The People are! The people created government and are its masters. The created.is not higher then its creator...
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AMENDMENT II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.