Hypothetically speaking, if assault weapons are banned what liberties will you be losing?, page 4


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reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:12 PM by CaptainBeno
reply to post by TDawgRex



Mate, less of the insults. It was a legit question. Since when have you needed to spray bullets? Doesn't one do the job?


Edit: Here we go, I'm gonna get the "duh, you should educate yourself about guns (like I would want too) duh, guns don't spray bullets" speech now aint i?

Duh.
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reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:14 PM by solomons path
reply to post by TruthSeekerMike



I get so tired of the "military grade" response to the fact that there is no such classification as "assualt weapon". The term "miltary grade" was the first "assault weapon". Seeing as there is no true definition of "miltary grade" the gov defined as destructive devices (bombs, grenades), machine guns, SBR's, silencers (although silencers are far more practical in sporting/hunting situations than military).

No all of a sudden, semi-autos dressed up to look like their big brothers are military grade? Why doesn't our miltary use them then? Well they look alike, so they must be right?

OP, you want an answer to actually give you a reason for keeping semi-autos or one that supports your position? Truth is you know nothing about guns if you think semi-auto is only designed for military apps or "killing". Heck even a sling-shot is designed for killing, doesn't make it "military grade". And, the Ruger 10/22 semi-auto rifle is the most common in circulation, yet I fail to see the "military grade" to that weapon. And, I challenge to live amongst wolves/coyotes/foxes/wildpig/angry javalina/etc and defend against them with a single shot rifle.

These rifles should not be banned because not infringed means just that. Without a constitutional convention to amend . . . our right can not be legislated against. Now you can make the point that the gov has already outlawed certain arms, so we have seemed to have already given up this right. You would be right and that is why we should fight to preserve what is left.

Everybody keeps pointing to England as a model, yet they don't even have a right to free speech. They have a culture of servitude, IHMS. Not the country I want the US to emulate on the rights of their citizens.


edit on 1/16/13 by solomons path because: to add most common in circulation



reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:17 PM by T4NG0
Originally posted by CaptainBeno
reply to
post by TDawgRex



Mate, less of the insults. It was a legit question. Since when have you needed to spray bullets? Doesn't one do the job?


Edit: Here we go, I'm gonna get the "duh, you should educate yourself about guns (like I would want too) duh, guns don't spray bullets" speech now aint i?

Duh.
edit on 16-1-2013 by CaptainBeno because: (no reason given)


To answer your question one does not always do the job.


reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:24 PM by solomons path
reply to post by T4NG0



Average gun exchange happens within 10ft of each other and last five seconds. In those five seconds, five shots are fired on average with 1 bullets striking. That's 20%. With a ten round mag, that's 2 hits over 10 seconds.

Here's hoping you hit the CNS!


reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:24 PM by POPtheKlEEN89
Originally posted by solomons path
reply to
post by TruthSeekerMike



I get so tired of the "military grade" response to the fact that there is no such classification as "assualt weapon". The term "miltary grade" was the first "assault weapon". Seeing as there is no true definition of "miltary grade" the gov defined as destructive devices (bombs, grenades), machine guns, SBR's, silencers (although silencers are far more practical in sporting/hunting situations than military).

No all of a sudden, semi-autos dressed up to look like their big brothers are military grade? Why doesn't our miltary use them then? Well they look alike, so they must be right?

OP, you want an answer to actually give you a reason for keeping semi-autos or one that supports your position? Truth is you know nothing about guns if you think semi-auto is only designed for military apps or "killing". Heck even a sling-shot is designed for killing, doesn't make it "military grade". And, the Ruger 10/22 semi-auto rifle in circ, yet I fail to see the "military grade" to that weapon. And, I challenge to live amongst wolves/coyotes/foxes/wildpig/angry javalina/etc and defend against them with a single shot rifle.

These rifles should not be banned because not infringed means just that. Without a constitutional convention to amend . . . our right can not be legislated against. Now you can make the point that the gov has already outlawed certain arms, so we have seemed to have already given up this right. You would be right and that is why we should fight to preserve what is left.

Everybody keeps pointing to England as a model, yet they don't even have a right to free speech. They have a culture of servitude, IHMS. Not the country I want the US to emulate on the rights of their citizens.




Woh woh, hold on now.. I know little about the mechanics and classification of firearms, but you are blurring the lines by inferring a semi-auto is any less dangerous than a fully auto.

The point is to stop one man from gunning down crowds of people, why do YOU as a private citizen need that right to stop crowds?

I am not on any sides but you and people like you make it very hard to not pick sides out of passion, not attacking you but i would appreciate if you dropped the condescending way of making your point.
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reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:24 PM by snarky412
Originally posted by SpaDe_
Originally posted by CaptainBeno
reply to
post by SpaDe_



Well, enjoy the "facts" just dished out by your fantastic President.

Tough luck buddy.


My President just did a whole lot of nothing today. The FACT is the President said sorry anti gun crowd there isn't a thing I can do. He left it up to Congress, which is funny because the Senate majority leader who happens to be a Democrat stated that he doesn't even have the votes to pass any anti gun legislation.

Looks like the rabid anti gun crowd loses on this one.


Not to mention the fact that Democrats are going to spin the "facts" in favor of their agenda.
Same goes with the Repubs.......

That's what I can't stand about politicians.
They put a spin on every thing and to hell with the truth.
That's why the public is called "sheeple" because most believe any thing that is told to them by TPTB.


reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:26 PM by T4NG0
Originally posted by solomons path
reply to
post by T4NG0



Average gun exchange happens within 10ft of each other and last five seconds. In those five seconds, five shots are fired on average with 1 bullets striking. That's 20%. With a ten round mag, that's 2 hits over 10 seconds.

Here's hoping you hit the CNS!


You are right, and I agree with you. Which is why I said one does not always do the job. I would think you can get a higher hit percentage than that though at ten feet, if you are aiming at center mass..
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reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:27 PM by cripmeister
Originally posted by TruthSeekerMike
What is an assault weapon? Do you even know? Not being belligerent but it's a valid question. Why do cosmetic changes to a gun make it more dangerous in the eyes of politicians and scared people? Please take the time to watch a slideshow and learn a little something
www.assaultweapon.info...
edit on 16-1-2013 by TruthSeekerMike because: (no reason given)


Assault weapon is a political term and pretty meaningless one I agree. It seems to me that the discussion is about firepower, semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines really. Is a semi-automatic rifle with a 30 round magazine more dangerous than a bolt action rifle?


reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:29 PM by CaptainBeno
reply to post by cripmeister



Depends how many you can squeez off in the time it takes for him to run


reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:39 PM by T4NG0
Originally posted by superman2012
Originally posted by POPtheKlEEN89
Originally posted by VoidHawk
To say they want to take away only the rifles kinda proves why they want to take them away!!
Be it an assault rifle or a hand gun, they BOTH kill.
The only reason they want to take away the assault rifle is because a nation armed with such weapons is a nation thats hard to contol, because if they need to they can defend themselves.

In the uk we're NOT ALLOWED to have them, and look where its gotten us!!! The criminals have guns, the police have guns, and even though the man in the street cant have one, it IS the man in the street thats killed by them.



I hear this point often and thanks for the input. I am very interested in hearing more opinions from you foreign folks who aren't allowed to have guns, please speak up!

Do you wish you had guns?

if not then why?

Canadian here.
While I can get handguns here, I have no desire to. In my opinion, there is no reason to have a handgun other than to kill another man.


Well yeah, that is typically what guns are made to do, and used to do, it is the context in which a man uses it to kill. Unarmed good guy with no cops around to protect him gets killed? BAD! Criminal gets killed trying to rob, or murder men, women, and children? It still sucks someone had to lose a life in this kind of scenario, but it unfortunately had to be done. The victim did not leave the house, or go to sleep thinking someone was going to try and kill him that night. He didn't want to kill anyone, because that is sick, and is why someone is no longer breathing. The someone who tried to harm innocent, law abiding citizens.
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