Forbes Article "Conveniently" DELETED Yesterday Claims SSRIU Drugs Caused Sandy Hook And Others

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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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This is a good Point, actually. The Economy is somehow falling Down, and we are all under Stress, but giving away guns in this Carrunt State is exactly giving away our power. People help
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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I looked into it a bit last night, all they are doing is compiling lists of real studies. I seriously hate it when people just outright dismiss sources like that, without looking into it. I am no fan of the cult of scientology, I actively participated in campaigns against these people. However, dismissing the collections of data they are compiling without looking into it is pretty ignorant.
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 04:35 PM
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To simply say ALL people who take ssri are murderers is simply ridiculous and illogical. SSRI generally help the majority of people who take them. Same with anti-psychotics. But BOTH have adverse consequence IF NOT MANAGED PROPERLY. More GPs prescribe anti-psychotics than psychiatrists do. This mismanagement goes for ANYTHING people put into their bodies. And an association can be drawn with any of these things. For example, criminal behaviour has been associated with fast food. Does that mean EVERYONE who eats fast food is a criminal? Total BS. DON"T denigrate ssri. They've saved more lives than then they've taken. PERIOD..



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Ghost375
 


Prove it.


ok

go tell them bipolar isn't a real disease....

You guys are acting moronic and most importantly insensitive.
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 04:54 PM
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Sorry, a forum doesn't prove anything. I can point you to forums where people believe they are vampires, doesn't make it true. Look though, I am not saying these deseases are definately not real, but I find it kinda odd that all these claims of chemical imbalances, yet, how many people actually have some sort of test to prove it? There are lots of biological imbalances out there, but they are found through things such as blood tests. How many people are getting any test whatsoever to actually see if they have some chemical imbalance, before they are prescribed drugs to correct it? How many people are given a test to see just how much they are out of balance so they get the proper dosage?

I implore you to watch the embedded video here, it is a bit long, but seems quite informative to me. I had no idea the very people that are pushing these drugs, are also the people in the FDA that approve them. That right there tells me there is something terribly wrong with the system we have set up.
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by ChesterJohn
 


Care to be more specific?
What laws has he broken?


A budget is to be submitted by the first Monday of February each year. He had missed it all but once and plas to do so again.

signing fiat legislation without approval Congress.

Sending our Troops to Libya without Congressional mandate.

to name only three are laws that he violated.

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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by GoShredAK
reply to post by ChesterJohn
 


Absolutely! I must agree. Processed food is a huge problem and IMO is responsible for not only contributing to mental disorders, but to many of the diseases running rampant in our country.

Good point.


Bro/Sis, I don't watch TV gave it up 20 years ago and nightmares and such decreased amazingly. then 15 years ago I started eating more fresh foods and stuff made from scratch rather than premade from the stores. and I virtually have no dreams.

Recently like I shared earlier that I have had to eat more because of being away form home and my goodness I have had at least two frightening styled dreams in the last months. So imagine if you eat lots of store bough spaghetti sauce and processed noodles, luncheon meats, Tamales, and store bought sauce mixes etc... as I have this last two months. I will tell you the increase in nightmare activity alone was scary. Now double that up with TV and Movies, drugs and alcohol use. I am telling you all these things add up and BAM! someone is gonna bust a cap.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 06:42 PM
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Either the White House because it fits "gun violence" but not "gun control" per se OR Big Pharma because it is not good for business.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by SMOKINGGUN2012

Originally posted by sacgamer25
If you're not hearing voices, or your not suicidal, than the condition you have is called life. Bi Polar is BS. I have known way to many people who say they are Bi Polar. First they do not CT scan of the brain, second everyone is Bi Polar to some extent. We all live through lives ups and downs.

We are turning hyper children, depressed teenagers, overworked fathers, and underappreciated mothers into lifeless psychotics by giving them pills to cover up the real problems.


+1000

I will add the current state of our economy is not helping the stress level in many households. It is making things worse and it is not going to get back to the way it was any time soon if at all. This is the new normal....outsourced jobs, loss of jobs to robotics, organized labor issues. There is a concerted effort to lower the cost of labor and it will be a crushing blow to the middle class.
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Bi-polar is a very real condition.

You two are very ignorant.
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I didn't say it wasnt. What I said is we are all bi polar to some extent. If what you feel takes you to the point where you feel like you will hurt yourself or someone else, then you should get help.

Otherwise a social cure to bi-polar is a much safer and effective way to help people. When we get low we need love, but we dont find it anywhere. This is depression, the cure is love. We don't really do alot of that anymore.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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No disrespect to anyone, but all I hear on this website is people talking about how bad the American Government is, but not one person is getting off their backside's to do anything about it. Just the same old whinging and repetitive comments.

Why are Americans not doing anything to save themselves from all this BS? Why are you just rolling over and letting them behave the way they do?

You have no room to complain if you do nothing about the constant problems in your country, and the constant problems the USA causes the rest of the world.

Is whinging on forums going to change anything in the USA? Again, no disrespect but if the UK behaved the same way as the USA we'd certainly be doing something about it.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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these seemingly dangerous pills are almost handed out like candy. "oh you are feeling sad here take these. they will HELP YOU".

That's completely unrelated to my post. I wasn't addressing that. And I wouldn't necessarily argue it either.

Specifically the idea anti-depressants are connected to these shootings. That's the only way my post should have been read.


i would have VIOLENT outbursts

Thanks for sharing your experience. It's valid and should be considered. In fact that is exactly what my post was about. Being objective and looking at the facts (stats in this case). What percentage of the 30+ million people who used them experienced uncontrollable violent outbursts? I myself have been on Wellbutrin, Paxil, and Zoloft, and never experienced what you described. I took them after breakups, deaths in the family, things of those nature and they helped for the short term. I experienced negative side effects, but nothing remotely close to violent thought. Nor was I not in control.


it does not take any leap of imagination that someone could go out on a rampage under these meds at all.

It takes a leap if it's unfounded. I don't see a compelling reason to believe they are a cause. At the very most a catalyst in someone already predisposed for violent or homicidal thought.

I am open to hearing an argument to think otherwise. As it stands what I am reading in this thread hasn't swayed me. It's mostly been very general med and big pharma bashing.

A tangent thought.... but it reminds me of Ted Bundy's story. He claimed pornography was part of the cause for his actions. What's the percentage of people who look at pornography and don't rape and murder woman? Is it a cause in his case? Or was it a catalyst among other co-factors in someone with a mind predisposed for rape and murder? I don't attribute his actions to porn. Nor the actions of these shooters to medications.


so because 30,000,000 people use these drugs yet don't ALL "freak out", there is no problem?

I am saying these staggering numbers should at least make someone question whether they are connected.

I wonder what the percent of these 30,000,000+ went on killing sprees. I bet it's really small. That should be significant when looking for causation.


well what if say the issue only occurs to 1% of them?

If it can be shown that it's really the cause then even 1% is of course a problem.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:36 PM
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What do you mean? Are you saying that psychiatric drugs are not widely used in the UK?



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:43 PM
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In the 69-month reporting period we identified 484 evaluable drugs that accounted for 780,169 serious adverse event reports of all kinds. This total included 1,937 (0.25%) cases meeting the violence criteria. The violence cases included 387 reports of homicide, 404 physical assaults, 27 cases indicating physical abuse, 896 homicidal ideation reports, and 223 cases described as violence-related symptoms. The patients were 41% female and 59% male with a mean age of 36 years (SD = 17.9) Consumers reported 651/1937 (38%) of the cases, foreign and domestic health professionals were the source for 967/1937 (49.9%) and the remainder were missing (217), from lawyers (67) or clinical studies (34).


This is the only one I have found that has really dug into numbers and tried to analyze them, but I really haven't started seriously digging on it just yet. I have a project I am finishing up on, then I am planning on doing some hardcore digging.

Study



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:47 PM
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Agreed. I *used* think like the poster you replied to until I met someone who was actually Bi-Polar and off their medication. Normal people have mood swings...Bi Polar people have rapid multiple mood swings in the course of a very short time period.

We went to dinner with one person who was Bi-Polar and she must have switched moods radically about four times in the course of one meal.

Bi-Polar is real, and it can be a devastating condition if not treated.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:51 PM
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You're comparing people roleplaying as vampires to people who are suffering from a disease, and have had their lives ruined? Go read their stories.

I can't even think of the word that you are. It's a combination of ignorant and insensitive at their extremes.
Maybe callous would fit you.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:54 PM
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So namecalling is all you got then? Bravo.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
I didn't say it wasnt.





Bi Polar is BS.


You did say it wasn't a real disorder....you said it was something we all had. And you called it BS.
The highs and lows that normal people experience are NOTHING like what people with bipolar disorder go through.
go read the forums I linked to if you don't believe me.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Ghost375
 


So namecalling is all you got then? Bravo.

It's all you deserve.

Plus, I did ask you a question....



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by DeeKlassified
 


What do you mean? Are you saying that psychiatric drugs are not widely used in the UK?


No, I'm saying that too many americans complain about the current state of things in your country but never do anything to take control of said problems.

Yes we have anti-depressants, but it's not the drugs, it's the mindset of the person. Those people take drugs for a reason, so they are unstable to begin with.

When I say take control of the problems in the USA, I mean all these fake shootings and guns possibly being removed, everyone will just sit by and allow them to be taken.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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Oh that question is serious. No, I am comparing people that actually think they are vampires, to people that think they have Bipolar.

I think a whole lot of the people that are classed as bipolar, are not. I think a whole lot of people, are given this label or that, with no scientific test to prove it, just so psychiatrists and drug companies can rake in the money. A whole lot of people out there are hypnotized by the television, and in the US and canada at least, there is at least one commercial per break, urging people to speak with their doctor about this drug or that drug. I think that has affected a lot of people, and caused way more drugs to be prescribed than should be. And that people that are on these drugs that shouldn't be, are being negatively impacted.

Does that clarify my position? Or are you just going to call me more names?





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