Forbes Article "Conveniently" DELETED Yesterday Claims SSRIU Drugs Caused Sandy Hook And Others

reply to post by Ginga


ok checking out the link and the graphic used...im on 20 mg of generic Prozac, so seeing that was kind of disconcerting.

Now my problem is whether I want to keep on my meds or take off them...

ok im sorry, but after readind the forbes article, part of its credibility went out the window when they quoted CCHR ($cientology front group)

but never the less great read

reply to post by Galadriel


Thank you for sharing your families life story. It is through these experiences that we can learn and grow... hugs

Few things:

A) Mental Illness and the diagnosis of it as well as psychiatry and psychology are predominantly THEORY BASED...the diagnosis has human limitation factors...Doctors are not gods and make mistakes. Unfortunately we give them god like powers over lives in spite of this fact.

B) Bio-individuality - yea what works for some doesn't work for all. One mans cure is another mans poison. One/many successes does not validate the treatment one/many failures does not invalidate the treatment. I'ts THEORY there is no factual 100% truth to any of these drugs...they are experimental all of them.

99% does not = 100% and a FACT is 100% truth...anything less than that is not a fact its a "bet" on the odds.

C) The mental health industry + the pharmaceutical industry = the worst freaking nightmare ever imagined...there are things worse than slavery and its the result of the above equation. At least in slavery you have the freedom to think for yourself and use your imagination

"You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind."
Gandhi, Mahatma

Gandhi isn't alive today to see the mental health industry and pharmaceutical industry challenge his words...

reply to post by TheToastmanCometh


Even if you may not like the cult, thankfully they do cite sources.

PLOSONE for example. Looks legit to me.

I am glad I looked into it, wow. PLS ONE has a boatload of publications to look at.

Originally posted by tide88

Originally posted by Hijinx
reply to post by R_Clark

 

Ooooooooooo, I dunno about the suicide rates being linked to these drugs in the military, but it is shocking to see the correlation between SSRI's and Murder.

It seems more often than not, military suicide is linked to soldiers not receiving care due to their stressful duties(PTSD), Depression, remorse, so on, so on.

People who are taking these medication are taking them for a reason. To claim that the medications actually cause them to commit murder is ridiculous and baseless.

Maybe it has more to do with the medications not working and their condition. What is to say they wouldnt have commited the crime if they never too the medications, or how many of these medications have actually stopped people from committing crimes.

Have you ever read the potential side-effects list on these drugs that are supposed to "cure" depression and PTSD? Side-effects like, depression, aggression, rage, death, liver damage, paranoia, etc? If I had to make a calculated guess as to the the ability of these drugs to specifically cause people to snap under certain circumstances resulting in a "Sandy Hook" catastrophe I would have to say it is more than probable.

Obama has been told it's better to take away guns than go after his handlers in big pharma and that's why he's rolling out kiddy doom porn to try and solidify his handler's position on guns in order to make the US easier to overthrow. The writing is on the wall in big letters.

Cheers - Dave

Here's a good article with video
military suicides

The video explains a lot about how these drugs came to be.

They really are dangerous.
There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance, no way to scientifically prove any mental illness. They just make these disorders up so they can bill a patient and prescribe these pills. Its a 330 billion dollar industry, that claims 48,000 lives yearly. Suicides, homicides.

reply to post by violet


I've seen enough mental illness in my life to never argue it's existence and at a functional level entirely too often, to be realistic.

At the same time, I'd say the idea of Big Pharma marketing like Mcdonalds or Walmart took hold in the 90's and a 'pill for everyone and for everyone a problem needing a pill' was the motto. I don't think even THEY ever believed it'd reach the point it has now.....but I wouldn't say a good % of disorders and mental illness isn't 100% real...and real dangerous if ignored or not medicated since the idea of commitment of the dangerous disorders simply isn't done anymore.

Anybody who doubts the effects of these drugs should try them out for themselves. Or stfu.

Google any SSRI drug, Wellbutrin, Paxil, prozac, etc, are making me feel worse. Look at what all these patients say their doctor did when they complained. They increased their dosage. Now if you take any drug, ingest any food, whatever that makes you feel worse, shouldn't the dosage be reduced? Why increase it? They increase it so you can't ever get off them. Paxil is a nightmare to withdraw from . Some of them like Wellbutrin can't be divided. That's so you don't try chopping them in half to wean off.

People think the person had to be this way in the first place anyways. Not true.

Although they might be ok for some people, it doesn't mean they're ok to use.

Its time to get rid of them. It won't happen though because the real statistics aren't broadcasted.

This article seems relevant.

TLDR:

Conclusions

These data provide new evidence that acts of violence towards others are a genuine and serious adverse drug event that is associated with a relatively small group of drugs. Varenicline, which increases the availability of dopamine, and serotonin reuptake inhibitors were the most strongly and consistently implicated drugs. Prospective studies to evaluate systematically this side effect are needed to establish the incidence, confirm differences among drugs and identify additional common features.

reply to post by R_Clark


Of course they did, its hundreds of billions against a couple billion.. Pharmaceuticals ding round 1, they would bleed out just hearing the word court, law suit heh.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


You're entitled to your opinion, but please watch the video in the link I posted. I can't embed it from the browser I'm using, so it gets attention.
ETA
Never mind here's the video

reply to post by violet


Looks like an interesting watch, thanks.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by violet

 

Looks like an interesting watch, thanks.

Thanks. I found the embed code after my post. Its a long video. Well worth watching

SSRIs being linked to these mass shootings is total bs. I've been on one ssri or another for 20 years. Paxil, Zoloft, celexa, depakote, Prozac, lithium, Wellbutrin, you name it, I've taken it probably, starting in the Amy up to present, and never once did I consider flipping or and shooting people. Even while in the army, whie taking these antidepressants, while holding a loaded M16 with attached M203 grenade launcher, being in full battle rattle, with full combat load of ammo, NEVER ONCE did the thought cross my mind.
20 years later, I still take em, PLUS play violent shooter up games like Medal of Honor, modern warfare, and still don't have a thought of harming another person.
The blame game on these meds are bs, my opinion were these people would have done what they did, irregardless of what med they were on

reply to post by violet

Anybody who doubts the effects of these drugs should try them out for themselves. Or stfu.

I've taken Wellbutrin. I took it for a couple months. I suppose that means I have more than a passing and speculative opinion. It goes by another name. Zyban. Combined with the patches for physical withdrawal it's what allowed me to drop nearly 25 years of smoking like...well..a bad habit.

Now I may have agreed with some of your point up to that point ...but you lost me entirely there. You sound real heavily invested in your theory and perhaps a bit too much so since I had none of the effects you seem to fear these bring. Nor have my family members who could attest to the effects of Prozac. In fact, it's tough to find many people these days who aren't on a long term Rx of some form.

Originally posted by Sly1one

C) The mental health industry + the pharmaceutical industry = the worst freaking nightmare ever imagined...there are things worse than slavery and its the result of the above equation. At least in slavery you have the freedom to think for yourself and use your imagination

"You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind."
Gandhi, Mahatma

Gandhi isn't alive today to see the mental health industry and pharmaceutical industry challenge his words...

edit on 16-1-2013 by Sly1one because: (no reason given)

I dunno man. There's SO many crazy people these days. It's past the point of wtf is wrong with these people?

The thing is...it was proven in the early 1900s that city life caused a drastic rise in depression and schizophrenia. I think, based on extensive knowledge of these topics, city life combined with our modern way of living is causing this crazy epidemic.
While both of the industries you mention are undoubtedly trying to make money(Like everyone else on this cursed planet), I really do think they are trying to help. It's just a complex deep seeded problem that won't be cured by a little pill.

They aren't making everyone take these pills, they're giving them to people who seek help.

reply to post by HomerinNC


A handful of people doesn't cancel out a long list of people who say otherwise...Just a bit of food for thought before you proclaim it to be 'utter BS' in simply your own experiences...

If I say I've never seen anything meditating, does that cancel out the people who have seen stuff or experienced 'events'...No...

Analogies are useful!

I haven't read the thread. I apologize if this has been said.

Current stats show around 10% of USA population on anti-depressants. Which translates to roughly 30 million people taking them. Correlation is not causation. To attribute SSRIs to causation you would have to address the fact the VAST majority of Americans on these meds are not going on killing sprees.

The truth is, these people were broken before medication and medication wasn't enough to help.

Originally posted by violet
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

You're entitled to your opinion, but please watch the video in the link I posted. I can't embed it from the browser I'm using, so it gets attention.
ETA
Never mind here's the video

edit on 17-1-2013 by violet because: (no reason given)

Well, I am about halfway through it, and I have to be honest. I didn't have a very high opinion about big pharma before, and it seems that the problem is even worse than I thought it was. Looks like I need to do some more digging