Teacher Fired for Giving Student Bible

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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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It has been all over my local news also, I just picked that article. Blame Fox, nice answer




posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Ireminisce
If the student asked for it, I don't see how it's an issue. You can get books from the school library about anything. How is this different?


If a student girl want's sex with a teacher, he is still not allowed to give in as it is obviously inappropriate. Giving out Bibles in a secular school is also inappropriate. Just because a student wan'ts something doesn't mean you can breach your signed contract. There is a reason for it being included.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 08:07 AM
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A little off topic but relevant on the religion in schools issue: I would like to see a chart of shootings by school kids before and after the Ten Commandments were removed from schools...my guess is that shootings have gone up post decalogue display.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Hecate666

Originally posted by Ireminisce
If the student asked for it, I don't see how it's an issue. You can get books from the school library about anything. How is this different?


If a student girl want's sex with a teacher, he is still not allowed to give in as it is obviously inappropriate. Giving out Bibles in a secular school is also inappropriate. Just because a student wan'ts something doesn't mean you can breach your signed contract. There is a reason for it being included.


What a ridiculous thing to compare it to.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 08:14 AM
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Wow... people can;t even stay on topic.. whats the point on bringing in Qur'an or sex scandals with teacher sin this mess?

Simply looking , he broke the law.

No matter how you try to derail the subject with bringing in different subjects in.

This is an example of dodging the actual issue.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 08:16 AM
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Hmmm.. i see this exact reply some where else..


So.... people who don;t follow bible (non Christians) are killers, murderers, rapists?

Bible is need to be sane? without the 10 commandments, you will never know stabbing someone is bad?



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Ireminisce
If the student asked for it, I don't see how it's an issue. You can get books from the school library about anything. How is this different?


Interesting point - I am pretty sure the library should have bibles available to all interested students. I will call the school to find out.

BTW - isn't it possible to have all atheists (and satanists by association) banned from ATS? Call it "separation of good and evil"........



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by mugger
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It has been all over my local news also, I just picked that article. Blame Fox, nice answer


uhmm yeah...details of this teachers history would be nice....i guess a reporter asking some probing questions is forbidden, don't want to muddy up the waters with details.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 11:28 AM
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Here's how the liberals would have liked it to play out.

"Where does that quote come from?"

"I'm not allowed to tell you, because you're not allowed to know the origin of simple quotes."



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 06:42 PM
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Actually, I think most liberals I know would have been far happier with "The quote comes from the [insert version here] Bible. Personally, I can't provide you with a copy, but if you ask your parents, or go to your public library, I'm sure you can find the information you are looking for."

The issue at hand is whether or not we can consider children to be accurate arbiters of material they are exposed to. It's similar to children and porn. As adults, we don't view them as mature enough to put the material in to context. Material that we believe, in essence, to be taking away their rational free will, and supplanting it with basic instinct as they are incapable of fully understanding it - be it the Bible, the Koran, Pornography or an essay on euthanasia. It would have been one thing for the teacher to teach the child about the bible as a scholar, with the parents permission obviously, and another entirely to go "Here, this is my religious text. Read it for your answers." Which obviously implies, at the very least, a tacit endorsement of the material. You don't recommend people read s-hite, now do you?

That aside, he probably shouldn't have been fired. Instead, as most people without a basic grasp of child psychology, philosophy, and sociology, he should have been made to go back to school
In fact, all teachers should have, at the very least, a master's degree in their field and a master's in pedagogy.
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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by Ireminisce
If the student asked for it, I don't see how it's an issue. You can get books from the school library about anything. How is this different?


Because all the teacher had to do was tell him to go to the library. HE/SHE outstepped public school bounds. Your answer should have been the teacher's answer...go to the library and check it out. Period.


So if a boy asked a teacher who was Tom Sawyer's best friend in the story, the proper answer would be to tell him to go in the library and look it up? If that is what a teacher is supposed to do when asked for information, why even have teachers?


Tom Sawyer isn't a religious text, unless of course there's a church of Sawyer im not aware of ?



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 11:02 PM
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I think its great what this teacher did! The teacher wasn't proselytizing, simply answering a question and expounding on the students eagerness to learn. Would it have been any different had the student been asking about the origins of Greek mythology or Egyptology? I think not. The student asked, the teacher answered, and gave the student the source/material from which it came. Its no different than any of you asking for sources of information when posting ideas here on ATS. Besides, it would probably do the student some good to read through the bible.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 11:11 PM
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Eh, I think neutrallity being directed is a good thing since religious people can be offensively extreme.

However, I feel that this is a case where the teacher was offering an opportunity to see a religion and expand his mind, and did so in a way that was not pressing the religion on him.

And I'm in no way affiliated with Christianity, quite the opposite. I do believe everyone should have some level of exposure to most things in life, and the various religions are surely up there.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 03:14 AM
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Seems that the preacher oh I meant 'teacher'
was pushing his version of religious books.
. . . what next Scientology, Westboro Baptist Church . . .
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 03:33 AM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson
I'm sure you would feel the same way if a Muslim or a Tibetan monk did the same. Oh wait, no you wouldn't. Firing the teacher then would be intolerant bigotry!


This must be some American thing, because I don't actually understand it ... I see it a lot though.


"Christians must realize that if they open the door for Bible distribution in public schools, a lot of other religions (and non-religions) will seek the same right. How would you feel about your child being given a copy of Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion by a public school teacher?"
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Quote was interesting.

It bothers me though that we feel we can segment religion out of education so easily. You can't exclude opinions about moral teachings, myths, or Flat Earth science, so why single religion out? I wonder sometimes if children should be taught to debate and discuss sensibly and respectfully rather than shielded from it all. I guess it would still be impossible to seperate from opinion.

According to article, teacher also is seeking legal advice.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 03:56 AM
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He is a member of Gideons International

what does that tell you,
I'm sure he conveniently had a few copies handy.
Never again :
www.cbc.ca...

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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by ToneDeaf
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Seems that the preacher oh I meant 'teacher'
was pushing his version of religious books.
. . . what next Scientology, Westboro Baptist Church . . .
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Or Paganism...

Oh wait, they already shove that down children's throats in public schools by celebrating Valentine's Day, Easter, Halloween, Christmas. And private schools are not any better. Homeschooling is the safest method.

It's scary when children are exposed to those beliefs, as well as some of the other horrific things which happen at schools, but it's wrong, by their corrupt standards, to share the Truth.

www.remnantofgod.org...



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by topherman420

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by Ireminisce
If the student asked for it, I don't see how it's an issue. You can get books from the school library about anything. How is this different?


Because all the teacher had to do was tell him to go to the library. HE/SHE outstepped public school bounds. Your answer should have been the teacher's answer...go to the library and check it out. Period.


So if a boy asked a teacher who was Tom Sawyer's best friend in the story, the proper answer would be to tell him to go in the library and look it up? If that is what a teacher is supposed to do when asked for information, why even have teachers?


Tom Sawyer isn't a religious text, unless of course there's a church of Sawyer im not aware of ?


It does mention (shudder) God in it quite frequently. The point being that simply answering a question is not prostylitizing. I know some people shudder at the mere mention of "god" but we'd lose a lot of beautiful music and writings if we eliminated religious stuff from the classroom. I can see the anti-religious fanatics banning Bach because most of he wrote was religious music.

The Bible can also be considered a cultural/historical/literary text based on context of the situation. The teacher gave a common expression, the kid asked about it, and the teacher gave him the answer, the kid was curios as to the source and the man gave him the original source materiel. Looks like an educaiton on a cultural level.
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posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 10:13 AM
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I can see your side, but it isn't the reality that we live in. Tom Sawyer is not a religious text, it is a piece of American literature whether it mentions god or not, it's not one of the central themes of the book. If parents want an education in the bible for their children they can send them to a catholic school or teach them at home about it.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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If Shakespeare had originated that quote and the teacher gave the students a copy of his works he would be congratulated. The student didn't have to accept it. Our society is becoming so politically correct that is is becoming intolerant and just plain stupid.
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