reply to post by VikingWarlord
Good to see. This is all it would take to stop the Federal encroachment on rights if we could get a majority of county sheriffs to do this.
Oregon Sheriff to VP: I won't enforce any new gun laws., page 2
reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 11:56 PM by VikingWarlord
reply to post by hawkiye
It would be great to see LEO's coming out of the woodwork expressing their concern over the federal government's eagerness to usurp the constitution. I would like to see Veteran's taking a stand against these knee-jerk reactionary proposals. Clearly, the lines are being drawn.
It would be great to see LEO's coming out of the woodwork expressing their concern over the federal government's eagerness to usurp the constitution. I would like to see Veteran's taking a stand against these knee-jerk reactionary proposals. Clearly, the lines are being drawn.
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:13 AM by Djayed
reply to post by VikingWarlord
People should not be allowed to own assault rifles or clips that that have more then 12 bullets in them. That is my opinion. I think hand guns are fine, which I own one (1). I am not going to war, I do not need an arsenal, I do not feel comfortable that my neighbor is allowed to have 3000 guns.....no one person should own that much firepower.
If these type of gun laws were in place.....maybe some deaths could have been avoided!
People should not be allowed to own assault rifles or clips that that have more then 12 bullets in them. That is my opinion. I think hand guns are fine, which I own one (1). I am not going to war, I do not need an arsenal, I do not feel comfortable that my neighbor is allowed to have 3000 guns.....no one person should own that much firepower.
If these type of gun laws were in place.....maybe some deaths could have been avoided!
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:22 AM by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Djayed
So... If TSHTF and you're dealing with looters.....you'll be fine with the fact that after the 12th shot and your weapon goes (click), the gang bangers you're trying to defend yourself from can just walk out from cover, stroll over to you and casually beat you half to death with your now empty weapon, right?
I mean, people aren't thinking....but that's nothing new. Politicians never think. It's what makes them charming on less important issues. However, IF THEY EVER THOUGHT something though....it might occur to them that as a criminal in New York State within a year or so (gotta give time for those desperate magazine criminals to be caught and busted with their contraband 15-20 rd magazines
) it'll be realistic for a bad guy to just count
rounds fired to know when a pain in the butt has become a victim again and helpless....as good victims ought to be.
7 rounds plus a click....and you're at the mercy of the gang banger you considered necessary to shoot and kill before you ran dry on the short magazine. I hope that works out for ya...if ever the day should come. It's come for plenty of others....including the kid in Houston that defended his sister recently with an AR-15 and 30rd magazines. I'll bet he can make quite a case for NEEDING more than a few pitiful rounds to kinda throw
at the bad guy. 
So... If TSHTF and you're dealing with looters.....you'll be fine with the fact that after the 12th shot and your weapon goes (click), the gang bangers you're trying to defend yourself from can just walk out from cover, stroll over to you and casually beat you half to death with your now empty weapon, right?
I mean, people aren't thinking....but that's nothing new. Politicians never think. It's what makes them charming on less important issues. However, IF THEY EVER THOUGHT something though....it might occur to them that as a criminal in New York State within a year or so (gotta give time for those desperate magazine criminals to be caught and busted with their contraband 15-20 rd magazines
) it'll be realistic for a bad guy to just count
rounds fired to know when a pain in the butt has become a victim again and helpless....as good victims ought to be. 7 rounds plus a click....and you're at the mercy of the gang banger you considered necessary to shoot and kill before you ran dry on the short magazine. I hope that works out for ya...if ever the day should come. It's come for plenty of others....including the kid in Houston that defended his sister recently with an AR-15 and 30rd magazines.
I'll bet he can make quite a case for NEEDING more than a few pitiful rounds to kinda throw
at the bad guy. reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:23 AM by speeddr2000
Originally posted by Djayed
reply to post by VikingWarlord
People should not be allowed to own assault rifles or clips that that have more then 12 bullets in them. That is my opinion. I think hand guns are fine, which I own one (1). I am not going to war, I do not need an arsenal, I do not feel comfortable that my neighbor is allowed to have 3000 guns.....no one person should own that much firepower.
If these type of gun laws were in place.....maybe some deaths could have been avoided!
Could is what your basing this off of no facts. Take Chicago, New York and California all have really strick gun laws and guess what nothing crime has gone up and up. As a matter of fact Chicago has one highest murder rates in the country doing as far as more then troops in Afghanistan. Also the highest global city murder rate. Here is some proof to back me up. So get your facts right it would have in no way stopped any one. Criminals will be the ones with guns when its criminal to own one, that means when caught hes going down with a fight.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.nbcchicago.com...
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:24 AM by sxt004
Originally posted by VikingWarlord
LINK
I found this letter to be a well written response to the reactionary rush to push through new gun legislation. This Sheriff has served this country in the military, and continued to serve the public for 28 years in the Sheriff's office. He took an oath to defend the constitution, and he is dead serious about keeping it. I hope more law enforcement and military personnel step up to the plate and let their voices be heard!
When is everyone going to wake up and see that we are so divided as a country right now? This is the real agenda. None of this stuff will go through and will eventually be stopped. It's all just to separate us and bring up race, religion, ideas, laws, difference. It's pointless and stupid.
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 09:52 AM by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
I don't personally recall anything like this in 1993/94. It was a radically different nation then too. Even Oklahoma City hadn't yet happened to us and hell...The Stockton Schoolyard shooting was fresh enough to be reminded of with the bloodbath of the Cocaine wars of the late 80's in every major city across our nation being VERY fresh. No one honestly knew then that the AWB wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to the homicide rate as looked at 10 years later ..or any other major crime index for that matter ...so no, I don't recall the resistance anywhere near this.
I think that was the nation's "Burn me once, shame on you" moment. It's the 2nd or third burn this time and people flat won't stand for it.
I don't personally recall anything like this in 1993/94. It was a radically different nation then too. Even Oklahoma City hadn't yet happened to us and hell...The Stockton Schoolyard shooting was fresh enough to be reminded of with the bloodbath of the Cocaine wars of the late 80's in every major city across our nation being VERY fresh. No one honestly knew then that the AWB wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to the homicide rate as looked at 10 years later ..or any other major crime index for that matter ...so no, I don't recall the resistance anywhere near this.
I think that was the nation's "Burn me once, shame on you" moment. It's the 2nd or third burn this time and people flat won't stand for it.
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 10:21 AM by AnonN3t
reply to post by VikingWarlord
You guys know just like i do. Any government official that doesn't go by what the federal law states, He or she will either be removed from office, jailed, or killed. Even though they are standing up for what they believe in it isn't going to be long before they have to bow down or be dealt with.
You guys know just like i do. Any government official that doesn't go by what the federal law states, He or she will either be removed from office, jailed, or killed. Even though they are standing up for what they believe in it isn't going to be long before they have to bow down or be dealt with.
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 10:27 AM by Djayed
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Djayed
So... If TSHTF and you're dealing with looters.....
7 rounds plus a click....and you're at the mercy of the gang banger you considered necessary to shoot and kill before you ran dry on the short magazine. I hope that works out for ya...if ever the day should come. It's come for plenty of others....including the kid in Houston that defended his sister recently with an AR-15 and 30rd magazines.
I am a good shot, I am not worried about running out of bullets in my clip, LoL. The kid in Houston, how could you say for 100% that he needed that AR-15 with 30 round clip to defends his sister, who is to say he couldn't do the same thing with a hand gun.
We need gun control, look what happened in Scottland! It worked for them..and let's be honest, the Scott's are a rowdy bunch!
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 10:35 AM by Djayed
Originally posted by speeddr2000
Originally posted by Djayed
reply to post by VikingWarlord
People should not be allowed to own assault rifles or clips that that have more then 12 bullets in them. That is my opinion. I think hand guns are fine, which I own one (1). I am not going to war, I do not need an arsenal, I do not feel comfortable that my neighbor is allowed to have 3000 guns.....no one person should own that much firepower.
If these type of gun laws were in place.....maybe some deaths could have been avoided!
Could is what your basing this off of no facts. Take Chicago, New York and California all have really strick gun laws and guess what nothing crime has gone up and up. As a matter of fact Chicago has one highest murder rates in the country doing as far as more then troops in Afghanistan. Also the highest global city murder rate. Here is some proof to back me up. So get your facts right it would have in no way stopped any one. Criminals will be the ones with guns when its criminal to own one, that means when caught hes going down with a fight.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.nbcchicago.com...
We do not have proper gun control in any state....gun shows and auctions are a perfect example. Try looking at a country that has implemented gun control and the statistics with gun crimes.
Link
So most people against gun control in the US base there stance on a fact-less arguments because the do not truly understand, because they do not live in a country with real gun control.
You cant comment on something you haven't expierences..everyone just uses hypotheses to defend their arguments , but the "what if's " do not hold up against the things that have recently happened.
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reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 12:41 PM by Jocko Flocko
reply to post by Djayed
Magazine size limits are completely pointless and nothing more than liberal feel good legislation to make ignorant people feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The below video shows just how ineffective such magazine size limits would be. At about 3:50 minutes into the video he gives an example of why such silly asinine laws would be completely futile. But this doesn't stop a simple minded tool like Obama from fooling the U.S. people that he's doing something good!
"fake Obama tears" FOR THE CHILDREN'S SAKE!!! "fake Obama tears"
Magazine size limits are completely pointless and nothing more than liberal feel good legislation to make ignorant people feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The below video shows just how ineffective such magazine size limits would be. At about 3:50 minutes into the video he gives an example of why such silly asinine laws would be completely futile. But this doesn't stop a simple minded tool like Obama from fooling the U.S. people that he's doing something good!
"fake Obama tears" FOR THE CHILDREN'S SAKE!!! "fake Obama tears"
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reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 01:09 PM by VikingWarlord
reply to post by Tw0Sides
Not really new, been lurking for years. Every President since Kennedy was killed has, been marching us slowly down this road of absolute corruption, where the people have no voice. In reality, the federal government has grown wildly beyond what was originally intended.
We are their bosses, we pay they salaries, and we vote them in. They have forgotten that fact, and have long since stopped listening or caring about the will of the people. The problem now, is public opinion is easily swayed by the media (government propaganda) and the people just go along with what they are told is best for them. People now days are so divided that there never can be a consensus about anything, and politicians take advantage of that, creating legislature that does not have the consent of the governed.
Not really new, been lurking for years. Every President since Kennedy was killed has, been marching us slowly down this road of absolute corruption, where the people have no voice. In reality, the federal government has grown wildly beyond what was originally intended.
We are their bosses, we pay they salaries, and we vote them in. They have forgotten that fact, and have long since stopped listening or caring about the will of the people. The problem now, is public opinion is easily swayed by the media (government propaganda) and the people just go along with what they are told is best for them. People now days are so divided that there never can be a consensus about anything, and politicians take advantage of that, creating legislature that does not have the consent of the governed.
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reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 01:22 PM by VikingWarlord
reply to post by Djayed
First of all, it is called a magazine. I really don't think anyone who does not know very much about weapons should be dictating what we can or cannot own. There are plenty of disarmed countries with no "scary assault weapons" that you could relocate to. I have no illusions that this country is truly free, given our current prison population, however I would like to retain what little remains of our freedoms. The second amendment guarantees the others, when it goes, so does the rest. No new gun laws, how about tax breaks on gun safes?
First of all, it is called a magazine. I really don't think anyone who does not know very much about weapons should be dictating what we can or cannot own. There are plenty of disarmed countries with no "scary assault weapons" that you could relocate to. I have no illusions that this country is truly free, given our current prison population, however I would like to retain what little remains of our freedoms. The second amendment guarantees the others, when it goes, so does the rest. No new gun laws, how about tax breaks on gun safes?
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 01:30 PM by VikingWarlord
reply to post by MmmPie
No sales tax either. Our current governor is going to run the state into the ground, and I don't agree with anything he has done, including doing away with executions of prisoners sentenced to death. I am looking into other states like Wyoming or Montana to move to. Oregon is beautiful, but Portland, and the Willamette valley are full of California transplants and illegals. I have lived here my whole life, and have watched it slowly be transformed into something unrecognizable. Time to bail.
No sales tax either. Our current governor is going to run the state into the ground, and I don't agree with anything he has done, including doing away with executions of prisoners sentenced to death. I am looking into other states like Wyoming or Montana to move to. Oregon is beautiful, but Portland, and the Willamette valley are full of California transplants and illegals. I have lived here my whole life, and have watched it slowly be transformed into something unrecognizable. Time to bail.
reply posted on 16-1-2013 @ 01:30 PM by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by VikingWarlord
This is what I am talking about.
Thank you sir, where ever you are.
Thank God for loyal and brave citizens like this man. hats off to you sheriff. You are my hero today.
We need more people like this guy if we are going to preserve the union and not break down as a country violating its most sacred laws at a whim.
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This is what I am talking about.
Thank you sir, where ever you are.
Thank God for loyal and brave citizens like this man. hats off to you sheriff. You are my hero today.
We need more people like this guy if we are going to preserve the union and not break down as a country violating its most sacred laws at a whim.
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