Homeowner grabs shotgun,confronts thief.

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posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:06 PM
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(Self-Snip)

Sorry guys.. Overly argumentative and I don't need to get tagged like I just saw in another thread for being rude.. I know that was. Sorry again,
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posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by CosmicCitizen
 

Oh indeed... "Tromboning" the pump to make a sound that carries for a city block is VERY effective. I think it's almost a universally understood sound too. I've used it myself in a couple situations to rather satisfying effect.

I know Pistol grips have been covered under previous bans as they mount on something like the Moss 500 as well as collapsible stocks. I hadn't heard that mentioned either way in what is being proposed now and hadn't gone looking for it either. IS that also what they are banning this time around? That'd be a shame since both my 500's have pistol grips on them. They're for defense, not duck hunting after all. I have a beautiful wood stock and 28 inch barrel for that if I want to do it someday. Not useful for defense through doorways.


For feces & funnies, just think that a shotgun with a pistol grip is not much more than the already illegal-in-most-areas stereotypical "sawed-off shotgun" which hasn't had the stock removed. So, is it that hard to make the jump? All you have to do is extend your arm so the stock is no longer against your shoulder and what's the difference?



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by abecedarian
 

Was being defeated and sent home once not sufficient? We could repeat it for a modern day Part II.


You kinda opened that door wide enough to drive a truck through...sideways.

Door opened on purpose!

Would the Canadians or Aussies, or any of the other protectorates for that matter, not rise up against the Monarchy as we did a while back? Well, I mean, if they had firearms?



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Yeah yeah we get it Screwed.

Man this is getting out of hand. I don't want to muddy your thread or anything, but honestly just bury a few of your potato shooters if you love them so much and call it a day until something actually interesting pops up.

I'm now in favour of the second if it'll make you lot quieten down a bit.. sheesh.

Not trying to be offensive but honestly, you're a broken record. To you it's obviously really important, but c'mon man stop littering this place with crap that highlights your point for the nth time. We truly do get it.

You like guns, other people like guns. That's great. Can we move on?



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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The difference would be that one is controlled under the National Firearms Act of 1934 and specifically singled out as a weapon to be regulated under special permit in US Vs. Miller (1939). That is a sawed off shotgun.

A Shotgun with a pistol grip and 18 inch barrel is manufactured that way and outside the brief periods of these insane political bans on this or that, has always been legal and considered to be like any other rifle.

So, there is quite a big difference, actually. Several years in prison, to get it wrong...to be realistic.



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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But it seems many people don't see it that way.



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by spoogemonkey
>snip<
I don't want to muddy your thread or anything....
>snipsnip<


Apathy can be just as dangerous as overt over-extension of authority.

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posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by abecedarian
Apathy can be just as dangerous as overt over-extension of authority.


Star for you sir!


"All it takes for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing."



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by spoogemonkey
Yeah yeah we get it Screwed.

Man this is getting out of hand. I don't want to muddy your thread or anything, but honestly just bury a few of your potato shooters if you love them so much and call it a day until something actually interesting pops up.

I'm now in favour of the second if it'll make you lot quieten down a bit.. sheesh.

Not trying to be offensive but honestly, you're a broken record. To you it's obviously really important, but c'mon man stop littering this place with crap that highlights your point for the nth time. We truly do get it.

You like guns, other people like guns. That's great. Can we move on?



I am sure that if this thread is breaking the T&Cs of this website the "Mods" will remove it.
Aside from that, there isn't much I can do for you.
Would you like to come over and go shooting one last time before it becomes illegal to do so?
I don't have any guns personally but a guy I know.....



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Screwed
>snip<
Would you like to come over and go shooting one last time before it becomes illegal to do so?
I don't have any guns personally but a guy I know.....


My wife has some family in the SL area. Maybe we can make a group outing?
Probably should check if the person you know has a few to go around since we don't own any either.



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:42 PM
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better make it quick, like this weekend!
The guy I know will certainly give away his soon to be illegal guns to his local Sheriffs dept soon.
It is the only right thing to do after all.



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:50 PM
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Well it's not a question of what you can do for me, but more a question of how we want this place (ATS) to be.

Do we want people to keep on goin' on about one issue day in day out? You've made your point, and it's a good one.

Nope of course you haven't violated any T&C. But you're giving the 1st amendment a good run for its money.

I look at this like I would religion. We can argue all day about it but no opinions will change, that change has to come from within. So why bother so much? Sure, bother a few times but c'mon, this point has been thrashed enough.

And thanks for the invite!

Again I'm not trying to be rude, it's just getting old. Having to wade through threads like this to get to something interesting is not a good way for an international forum to go imo. Yep it's very topical over there I get it. And yep, had that guy not had a gun maybe he would've been in trouble.. but again it's been thrashed to death that point (not to say it's a bad one).



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Screwed
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better make it quick, like this weekend!
The guy I know will certainly give away his soon to be illegal guns to his local Sheriffs dept soon.
It is the only right thing to do after all.

I was hoping to maybe organize a "Handguns Across America" thing, where participants would join hands, just like the "Hands Across America" did, and the participants would take oaths to be responsible for their use of firearms, would vow to protect their fellow citizens from crime and do so within the boundaries of local laws, and would donate an anonymous sum of money to their local law enforcement entities, above and beyond the already EXHORBITANT taxes the liberal lawmakers think need paid. At an agreed upon time after the joining hands ceremony occurred, participants would travel to the nearest shooting range and each participant would offload 100 rounds into targets whose design was agreed upon beforehand by the area participants.

Not sure I can get that done by the weekend.


But at least people should try what I mentioned in another thread:
"Gun Pride Parades"
As I mentioned there:

... if marching up and down the street flaunting your natural born conditions, gaining public awareness of your plight in order to obtain public acceptance of what should be your Constitutionally protected rights is perfectly legal, why not?



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Screwed
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better make it quick, like this weekend!
The guy I know will certainly give away his soon to be illegal guns to his local Sheriffs dept soon.
It is the only right thing to do after all.


Now that just does my heart good to know there are such honest citizens in the world. Yes indeed.. I'm sure millions more exist. Sadly, all my guns were stolen, just a few days ago.. Damn those criminals...they stole the filing cabinet with serial number records too! Imagine that.. must have thought there was money in it or something. I dunno....

Your friend does the nation a service by their honesty though. Pass along my thanks. (trying not to laugh)



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by spoogemonkey
reply to post by Screwed
 


Well it's not a question of what you can do for me, but more a question of how we want this place (ATS) to be.

Do we want people to keep on goin' on about one issue day in day out? You've made your point, and it's a good one.

Nope of course you haven't violated any T&C. But you're giving the 1st amendment a good run for its money.

I look at this like I would religion. We can argue all day about it but no opinions will change, that change has to come from within. So why bother so much? Sure, bother a few times but c'mon, this point has been thrashed enough.

And thanks for the invite!

Again I'm not trying to be rude, it's just getting old. Having to wade through threads like this to get to something interesting is not a good way for an international forum to go imo. Yep it's very topical over there I get it. And yep, had that guy not had a gun maybe he would've been in trouble.. but again it's been thrashed to death that point (not to say it's a bad one).



This place should be a place of logical discussion and responsible discourse.

When one cannot convince the other, someone should bow out and do so without capitulation or prejudice.

Now what I see are for more OP's starting out with something along the lines of "America give up your guns, it's the right thing to do, and it's worked for us". The rise in people posting threads of actual examples why having a gun is beneficial is in response to those other topics.
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posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by Screwed
reply to post by abecedarian
 


better make it quick, like this weekend!
The guy I know will certainly give away his soon to be illegal guns to his local Sheriffs dept soon.
It is the only right thing to do after all.


Now that just does my heart good to know there are such honest citizens in the world. Yes indeed.. I'm sure millions more exist. Sadly, all my guns were stolen, just a few days ago.. Damn those criminals...they stole the filing cabinet with serial number records too! Imagine that.. must have thought there was money in it or something. I dunno....

Your friend does the nation a service by their honesty though. Pass along my thanks. (trying not to laugh)


On the one hand, there may have been sarcasm but on the other hand....



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 01:57 AM
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This place should be a place of logical discussion and responsible discourse.


I agree, but I'm not seeing many logical viewpoints.. on either side. In fact it's polarised. Those who believe guns are important will for ever feel that way. Those who don't believe in guns will most likely do the same.

So logically, the only reason one would create a thread like this (regardless of viewpoint) is for validation, or adversity.. keeping in mind the outcomes from previous threads. Both of which will not lead to discussion but rather a ping pong match of statements, stats, examples etc, This thread potentially being the epitome of that. Discordant fellows will enivitably be shot down to the amusement of others, and vice versa, pro-gun types will be shot down in the same manner. All this leads to what? A pissing contest.

So I digress. Logic would suggest we start focusing on other issues (as some folks here have very fine minds, no doubt). This issue is dead in terms of discussion. What happens regarding regulation is what will happen, and it's up to you guys over there to sort it out (by way of lobbying, voting with your feet, buying a new gun, not buyinjg a gun etc). But in these instances nothing is sorted.

We're at war with oursleves and eachother, and there's, imo, no need for that.

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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 02:40 AM
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The proles are still stealing television monitors? lol

The zionists at central have nothing to worry about.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by Screwed
Just thought I would share this to show everyone what we will no longer be able to do soon.
These were the days weren't they?
You know, when we didn't HAVE to be victims unless we really wanted to be.
The gun this man is so carelessly brandishing will no doubt be on the banned list soon.


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Why are you planning on turning yours in because some communist says so?

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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 08:32 AM
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