Whooping Cough Outbreak Involved 90% Vaccinated Kids

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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Jules
Vaccines contain the disease they are claiming to fight. The argument is, that it's weakened so the immune system can fight it, but multiple shots probably do the reverse.


You don't have a clue do you!!

What makes you think they inject a disease
I suggest you find out how a vaccine works!!!


How are vaccines made? The first step is to make the organism (called the pathogen) that produces the disease. The pathogen is a virus or a bacterium. Viruses and bacteria can be mass produced in the laboratory by infecting cells grown in tissue culture. The pathogen must then be altered to ensure that it doesn’t trigger the disease itself.




posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Amanda5
 




I am sad for all the Children who were perfectly healthy before they were vaccinated and now have a depleted immune system that is fighting both the illness and the toxins that have been injected directly into their bodies.


You are grossly mistaken...



Taken from the study in my post above.
I recommend you read it.

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Some people may have adverse reactions.

How is this determined?

Should vaccines be mandatory? In some cases yes.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:39 AM
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I can't believe how ignorant some of these posters are.. all you guys need is a scapegoat to blame all your problems. Threads like this wit this amount of attention(from pure ignorance and not knowing science) is why our world is in this mess.

Lets do the world a favour and stop taking any vaccine.. on the other hand...

here are links to show how Anti-vaccine movement and unvaccination actually bringing the diseases back.

Anti-Vaccine Movement Causes The Worst Whooping Cough Epidemic In 70 Years

As Vaccinations Decline, Whooping Cough Returns

Was the Whooping Cough Epidemic Caused By Unvaccinated Kids?

These link are actually scientific research, not biased site like Natural news.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by thebtheb
 


What I meant to say is that I am tired of hearing about the harm they cause.

Which is why I have authored several threads on this issue. Trust me, I want the truth about these poisons to be exposed for everyone to see it.
Here's some truth.. I've been seen by three different doctors in the last few months,and the second or third sentence out of their mouths is"Have you had your flu shot"?"pneumonia shot"?
I say yes just so I don't go ballistic on them.Why are they pushing them so hard,why are doctors lying about them,and yes they are lying.
I was sitting next to a older gentlman at a pharmacy,waiting to get his flu shot,he was a bit nervous as this was his first time.The pharmacist came over to have him sign the release form,and gave him the minor side effects,I turned and looked at her shook my head and had to leave before I let loose with a complete rant.
Later when I went back to pick up my meds,I ask then why don't you inform them of the more serious side effects?She says "because by law we don't have to and besides they are extremely rare."Needless to say I switched pharmacies.


I get angry because my mother had a reaction to the flu/pneumonia shot in the spring of 2008 and I buried her by the fall of the same year.She contracted guilliam barre syndrom and not one of her doctors knew what it was,either that or they wouldn't say it out loud.I'm so angry and hurt by this I can't tell you what it feels like to carry this around inside.I miss her in the worst possible way,and the guilt is unbearable.
No one should have to die for their greed and the lies being told to you by your doctors and pharmacies,there is no such thing as a hypocratic oath...



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:54 AM
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I suspect most of the causes of this shocking cough going around the past year or so is actually Whooping cough. After all the characteristic whooping is only present in tiny children. While people backing away from vaccines in general certainly won't help, I understand that the whooping cough vaccine is one that wears off over time, I certainly don't recall getting one past the age of 4. As we never get other top ups into our adult years then it's just going to carry on going like a merry go round.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Suspiria
I suspect most of the causes of this shocking cough going around the past year or so is actually Whooping cough. After all the characteristic whooping is only present in tiny children. While people backing away from vaccines in general certainly won't help, I understand that the whooping cough vaccine is one that wears off over time, I certainly don't recall getting one past the age of 4. As we never get other top ups into our adult years then it's just going to carry on going like a merry go round.


Well, that's the problem. Infected and unvaccinated adults give it to children. This happened to my neighbor last spring. The father--who's one of the loony toons who thinks that vaccines are just a vast conspiracy to murder our kids--refused to get a vaccine, although his wife made sure the kids were up to date. Their son, who was only 4 months old at the time and too young to have had the whole series, ended up in the hospital for a week on a ventilator because he contracted pertussis from his idiot father.

The thread title here is that 90% of the kids who got pertussis were vaccinated. The threshold for pertussis is 94%, which means that we're 4% short of the number needed to achieve immunity.

I don't understand why that's so difficult a concept for some people to understand.
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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by TWILITE22

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by thebtheb
 


What I meant to say is that I am tired of hearing about the harm they cause.

Which is why I have authored several threads on this issue. Trust me, I want the truth about these poisons to be exposed for everyone to see it.
Here's some truth.. I've been seen by three different doctors in the last few months,and the second or third sentence out of their mouths is"Have you had your flu shot"?"pneumonia shot"?
I say yes just so I don't go ballistic on them.Why are they pushing them so hard,why are doctors lying about them,and yes they are lying.
I was sitting next to a older gentlman at a pharmacy,waiting to get his flu shot,he was a bit nervous as this was his first time.The pharmacist came over to have him sign the release form,and gave him the minor side effects,I turned and looked at her shook my head and had to leave before I let loose with a complete rant.
Later when I went back to pick up my meds,I ask then why don't you inform them of the more serious side effects?She says "because by law we don't have to and besides they are extremely rare."Needless to say I switched pharmacies.


I get angry because my mother had a reaction to the flu/pneumonia shot in the spring of 2008 and I buried her by the fall of the same year.She contracted guilliam barre syndrom and not one of her doctors knew what it was,either that or they wouldn't say it out loud.I'm so angry and hurt by this I can't tell you what it feels like to carry this around inside.I miss her in the worst possible way,and the guilt is unbearable.
No one should have to die for their greed and the lies being told to you by your doctors and pharmacies,there is no such thing as a hypocratic oath...


A vaccine is a medical procedure, and no medical procedure is 100% risk-free. I'm sorry that happened to your mother, I really am, but how do you know it was the vaccine she reacted to?

If you choose not to vaccinate yourself, that's up to you. Just stay away from my kids. I don't want your germs contaminating them.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 09:53 AM
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The Royal Air Force has been using altitude to successfully treat whooping cough since the end of WWII.
10,000 ft for 30 mins is sufficient.
You can dig up all sorts of info via google.

The medical industry doesn't support it because there is no published formal study on it. the air force of course doesn't care and they continue to do this because it simply works.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Strattos
reply to post by DJW001
 

Thank you for pointing this out.



This topic seems to lack the same standards as the UFO forum. Most of you are posting about how vaccinations are harming you. I can’t disagree that there may be some harm but looking at history there seems to be a positive effect from most vaccinations
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In short, please prove that the majority of critical vaccines are useless. Otherwise it’s a figment of your imagination.


Just in case you missed it, DJ has been corrected in the two following posts:

Here...


Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by DJW001
 




Why don't people ever check their sources before they post?


Nice try, but not very successful.

You should follow your own advice and check the other sources.

How about the Vermont Department of Health?



www.vaxchoicevt.com...

Too bad that blindness and some other illnesses can rarely be cured.

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And here...


Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by DJW001
 




That is not what the New England Journal of Medicine said. In fact, it borders on outright fabrication. Here is a link to the NEJM study:


I forgot to mention to you in my previous post that the mention of The New England Journal of Medicine was not in relation to the Vermont outbreak, as the tid bit I sourced in my OP clearly states...


The New England Journal of Medicine released a study that parallels this outbreak...


Let me simplify it for you since you seem confused, the study from TNEJM was a separate study that reinforces the finds in the Vermont outbreak. In other words, this isn't just happening in Vermont. Now please go back and read the WHOLE article.

Reading comprehension is key my skeptical friend


Several other members also corrected DJ with his inability to read the sources before commenting.

You're welcome


Also, I should point that it is rather rude to accuse participants of certain forums to lack standards when in fact many participants in these forums have a lot to add to this site with their well thought out contributions.

Or perhaps it's a "figment of my imagination"



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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I started researching after i seen this post. It seems that the vaccine stopped working in the 1980's. This brings up a new point though. Why are they still giving people something that doesn't work, is it just to make money off of it like a placebo?



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by JerkyBeer
Bottom line, vaccines, as bill whatever said, are the cures too over population. Kill em
With vaccines

bottom line...they aren't designed to kill people.
It's a hoax spread by people with no background in science, who aren't smart enough to understand scientific documents and research. See my previous post for a more detailed explanation.


To the contrary, NOT ALL members are Boob-Tube Educated Dwarfs; some of us are well educated and have a wealth of first hand knowledge about the subjects they chime-in on but, it does not take a genius to recognize someone who is in effect defending the AMA, Big Pharma and Globalist Dregs like Bill Gates.

Yes, it is true that many of us use YouTube Videos to share first hand and enhanced perspectives on subjects and Yes it is true the membership includes a lot of Closet Geniuses with less first hand knowledge and experience than a pair of my socks but, here amongst us are also a reasonable percentage of us who know what we are talking about.

Speaking personally, I would qualify as Well Educated with my Engineering Degree, MBA and almost 60 years of life experience that amongst other experience served for 4 years as a City Councilman when and where the subject of "Vaccine Inoculations" for our school aged children was a heated topic and concern throughout my term and where many experts pro and con gave lengthy qualified testimony, resulting in the decision (contrary to the Agenda 21 Dregs amongst us) to leave the door open to parents who did not wish to have their children immunized. Twenty years...geezz, 22 years have passed since I served as a City Councilman and while the option to refuse having their children vaccinated remains, a joint multifaceted war by has been waged by the Departments of Education, Health and Science in conjunction with the Pharmaceutical Companies have now succeeded in making Immunization "Appear" Mandatory.

I have recently mentioned that I am thankful my youngest child has now graduated High School without ever being vaccinated. She as did one of my other 4 children graduated VALEDICTORIAN; without really trying I must add, because there was never really much competition from their fellow classmates who I often noted were greatly hindered by their home life, parents and yes I believe, the Poisonous Vaccines many of them subjected themselves to.

I could go on at length about my own personal experiences with Physicians, many of who were brainwashed minions of Big Pharma and the Globalist Controlled AMA but this has already become something of a rant. As I always say, if you Love New York, GO THERE! and if you want to get vaccinated I can say Be My Guest but as for me and mine, we remain highly suspicious of all opinions put forth my anyone in the Medical and Dental Professions and this has served us well.

Here is what I believe in a nutshell:


P.S. 13 Years ago My Young Brother by one year suddenly developed the same cancer in the same lymph nodes in our necks; we believed it was cased by some toxin we were exposed to on my ranches (too long a story). We both had excellent health insurance and both went to the City of Hope, one of the foremost Cancer Hospitals in the world. We were both recommended a course of treatment by their best specialists that included a course of Chemo, Surgery and Radiation. I told the doctors they would have to buy a new Jag on somebody else and to go to hell, while my brother's wife convinced him to take the treatment the doctors recommended. I dictated my own treatment involving limited surgery and a course of Holistic Treatment I prepared and took myself. My brother died HORRIBLY over a 4 year period (I am not going to detail just how horrible). He died and I am alive cancer free because I told the G D to go to hell. So you go ahead and defend them; go ahead and be a cow run through there system and good luck.
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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Tardacus
Whooping cough isn`t a very common disease is it?
If this report is accurate then i would say that is proof that vaccines DO make people sick or to put it another way, this is proof that vaccines are not as harmless and safe as the government wants us to believe.



Or better yet, THIS vaccine is ineffective! And no, it isn't very common now but it used to be. Vaccines ARE poison, that's exactly why they are used, to initiate the body to the disease, strengthening it. But they put other harmful ingredients in it that actually weaken and permanently damage us.

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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by Corruption Exposed


I have been flamed recently for mentioning this, but it seems that those who get vaccinated against certain diseases such as the Whooping Cough or the Flu are the most vulnerable to get sick.



The only people that would flame you for that are idiots with no cranial capacity to understand reason and logic. The stats don't lie. Vaccinated kids get more sick and have more allergies than ones that aren't. There is no dancing around that. Vaccine logic equates to smoking prevents Alzheimer's. A person smokes for 50 years and doesn't have Alzheimer's....therefore smoking prevents it. It's part of junk science and nothing but a needless industry whose sole reason for existing is to generate profit.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 11:00 AM
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fda approved snake oil.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by PushEject

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed


I have been flamed recently for mentioning this, but it seems that those who get vaccinated against certain diseases such as the Whooping Cough or the Flu are the most vulnerable to get sick.



The only people that would flame you for that are idiots with no cranial capacity to understand reason and logic. The stats don't lie. Vaccinated kids get more sick and have more allergies than ones that aren't. There is no dancing around that. Vaccine logic equates to smoking prevents Alzheimer's. A person smokes for 50 years and doesn't have Alzheimer's....therefore smoking prevents it. It's part of junk science and nothing but a needless industry whose sole reason for existing is to generate profit.


can we not continue to bash other groups for stuff guys jeez I mean i will never get another vaccine in this lifetime but thats just my opinion i can argue why i think im right but im not gonna say the other side has no cranial capacity



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by WaterBottle
If you got bit by a dog with rabies, which one of you anti-vaccine people would not take the rabies vaccination?

Pretty sure every single one of you would beg the doctors for it.



Or you could take Scullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora) aka the Mad Dog herb. Traditionally in olden times it was used to treat rabies. You would have to acquire the plants and know how and which parts to prepare, but you could do that as an alternative to taking the rabies vaccine. The herb has been around FAR longer than the vaccine.

Nature seems to have a cure for all of it's illnesses......



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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Posting to find later. On the gun thing right now, but this is SO FREAKING important !!!!!



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by PushEject
The only people that would flame you for that are idiots with no cranial capacity to understand reason and logic. The stats don't lie. Vaccinated kids get more sick and have more allergies than ones that aren't. There is no dancing around that. Vaccine logic equates to smoking prevents Alzheimer's. A person smokes for 50 years and doesn't have Alzheimer's....therefore smoking prevents it. It's part of junk science and nothing but a needless industry whose sole reason for existing is to generate profit.


Can you enlighten us with what you mean by "the stats" and by "vaccinated kids"? The research that goes into vaccines isn't as simple as what you've made it out to be. A large sample of people are chosen, random ones are chosen to receive the vaccine and the others receive a placebo (such as a saline solution). If the people who received the vaccine have a statistically significant[\i] lower rate of contracting the disease, the vaccine is deemed to be effective. Well, that, and taking other mammals, injecting them with the vaccine in the same way (giving some saline solutions), waiting for it to take effect, then injecting them with the live disease itself, and then seeing like above whether the vaccine gave a statistically significant protection.

This "needless industry" eradicated smallpox. That, or you could say the disease just decided to die out and stop infecting people shortly after we started vaccinating for it.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 12:17 PM
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I'm split on vaccines. I normally consider myself a supporter of rational thought and science. But I have this distrust of government when it comes down to things like health and nature. There seems to be an underlying "nature" in people to eat crap food and to chop up nature into neat little boxes. There also seems to be a tendency for people to be like automatons in that they religiously follow the leader or do as they're instructed. Granted, many people aren't that way. But it does seem like the majority of people are. Is this paranoia? Am I just plain wrong? I realize that I could be making a bad choice by turning away from authority. Science itself is an authority. Yet I wouldn't turn away from science would I? No, I don't think so. And yet I'd be a fool to think that -only- science is reflected in the choices my society makes. I know that my society is not always rational and thus it doesn't always support science. There're many examples where society is just staunchly evil. And, of course, you can't eliminate human nature even in science. Science is just our best hope.

If I ever had a child - which i don't think I will at this point in time - I"d probably have them vaccinated. The reason I'd do it is because there're lines I won't cross. The same can be said about my feeling about meat. I don't like it. I try to stay away from eating meat as much as I can. I take supplements when needed. I just absolutely cannot tolerate the idea of eating animals and creatures that I share so much in common with. I realize I might be lacking some nutrition quite possibly, but I look at it as a sacrifice, as a protest against our conventions. Of course, children aren't old enough to have opinions. So I can't decide for a child. That's why I'd vaccinate my own child. Similarly, I'd allow small portions of meat for my child or at least nutritional supplements to compensate. If my child wanted the meat instead I'd let them have it, but only as much as is recommended.

There'll always be ignorance. We just don't know everything and are susceptible to random occurrence which can change our opinions. You have to weigh the pros and cons of things.
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posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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Wooping cough is a bacteria.

You can't vaccinate against bacteria. You use antibacterials against bacteria.

Please stop being so ignorant.





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