Lew Paxton Price's Challenge to Mainstream Physics

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by buddhasystem
What HAS been proven that QED is a remarkably precise theory which very accurately describes - in particular - scattering of electrons.

Does it prove electron - virtual photon exchange?

In the sense that such description of reality works -- yes, most definitely.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by buddhasystem
What HAS been proven that QED is a remarkably precise theory which very accurately describes - in particular - scattering of electrons.

Does it prove electron - virtual photon exchange?

In the sense that such description of reality works -- yes, most definitely.

Yea but you dont know what an electron, a photon, or space is... You dont know how EM radiation works or exists or what it is. You know what a field is on paper, but you dont know if it physically exists in reality, and if so what it is, how it exists, why it exists. You dont know where the photons come from that in the theory are said to be exchanged by electrons, you dont know how they are exchanging them if they are, or what they are exchanging.

Originally posted by ImaFungi
Yea but you dont know what an electron, a photon, or space is... You dont know how EM radiation works or exists or what it is.

If you insist on metaphysical knowledge, then no. If one, however, looks at what reality is, i.e. can make a calculation and prediction and stuff happens according to that, this obviously constitutes knowledge. And again, I'm sorry your quest for something philosophically more pleasing is not satisfied.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

If you insist on metaphysical knowledge, then no. If one, however, looks at what reality is, i.e. can make a calculation and prediction and stuff happens according to that, this obviously constitutes knowledge. And again, I'm sorry your quest for something philosophically more pleasing is not satisfied.

Why are you so satisfied with knowing such little about the field of study you have committed your life to? Lots of people in the field of physics focus on really specific topics and areas and problems, does anyone or teams of people try and summarize it up and highlight how it all works together? Making a map of reality certainly is knowing to degrees what is going on with aspects of reality, but it is not understanding, and there are potentially many degrees more of knowing that are possible. There must be answers, the universe must be exactly something, which exists the way it does because exact things occurred, those things must be knowable because we can think about anything and potentially understand everything. If things work in a cause and affect fashion, or logically, we can comprehend if even to simplified and crude amounts, the 'idea' behind it all.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
If one, however, looks at what reality is, i.e. can make a calculation and prediction and stuff happens according to that, this obviously constitutes knowledge.

It is knowledge about how to manufacture things that work but it is not knowledge of how the universe works. There's a difference.

Correct theories of how the universe works are important for developing the technology of the future.

Originally posted by Mary Rose

Originally posted by buddhasystem
If one, however, looks at what reality is, i.e. can make a calculation and prediction and stuff happens according to that, this obviously constitutes knowledge.

It is knowledge about how to manufacture things that work but it is not knowledge of how the universe works. There's a difference.

You totally failed to get the meaning of what I wrote. I won't try the second time.

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Well, that's progress. At least you're not accusing me of "infant babbling."

Originally posted by Mary Rose
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Well, that's progress. At least you're not accusing me of "infant babbling."

No, it's not babbling, just lack of comprehension skills.

From a 40 page .pdf file by Price entitled "Gravity - Dynamic Ether Inflow," which can be downloaded here:

The basic concepts of nether theory came as a very sudden revelation that left me in a state of shock for a few days, and the world took on a new in-depth appearance that has grown since that time. From someone who was never quite certain about any theosophical or philosophical theories (there are so many and they disagree with one another) I became someone who knew (as opposed to believing) the truth about creation and our subsequent and consequent universe. It was all so simple, so elegant, and so different from accepted models of physics that the idea of Einstein's "unified field theory" was not even close enough to allow anyone to begin to conceive of such a thing. Even the idea of a "field" was a ridiculous mathematical excuse for something that was not even remotely understood.

Price links to another independent researcher who has a similar view to his about gravitation. This researcher uses the term "Neoetherics."

From "The Hundred Year Detour":

Summary

To understand the process that brings about the effects of gravitation we must change profoundly the way we perceive the world. We must discard the idea of an invisible "field" that causes gravitation and develop in its place the concept of a direct mechanical effect produced by a hydrodynamic ether.

The key intellectual shift involves understanding that the omnipresent ether manifests equally well as open space or as material bodies. Thus objects cease to be separate entities and become local manifestations of the ether. The universal etheric context is always in motion and has a velocity gradient - dv/dr - at every point. It is the direction and magnitude of the etheric velocity gradient that determines the direction and strength of gravitational effects.

This perceptual shift is as difficult and counterintuitive as the shift from the Ptolemaic to the Copernican view. Once mastered, it brings the same clarification to gravitational effects that Copernicus brought to the motions of heavenly bodies.

Body

We are unable to understand the mechanism that brings about the effects of gravitation because we do not perceive the true nature of what we see. Our view of the world is not only incomplete, it involves a perceptual blindness that blocks any hope of understanding what is going on around us.

In order to make any progress we must disabuse ourselves of the notion that gravitation is caused by an invisible presence called a “field.” This idea is generally credited to Newton, but that does the Great Man a serious injustice. Newton certainly developed the empirical equations that predict correctly the force associated with gravitation. But he maintained that this force was transmitted directly through the medium of the ether by contact action in accordance with his Third Law. The following statement leaves no doubt on this point:

"It is inconceivable that inanimate brute matter should, without the mediation of something else, which is not material, operate upon and affect other matter without mutual contact. That gravity should be innate, inherent, and essential to matter, so that one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to another, is to me so great an absurdity that I believe no man, who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it." I. Newton. [2]

www.neoetherics.com...

The source for the Newton quote is I. Newton, Letter to Richard Bentley. February 25, 1693.

Continuing:

About one hundred years ago physics went astray and decided to eliminate the ether. The origin of this error has everything to do with two M's -- Michelson and Morley. Their single experiment in July of 1887 yielded a positive result, but the magnitude was much smaller than expected. They reported that the observed ether velocity did not exceed one fourth of the earth's velocity through space. [3] This has since erroneously been reported as a null result that proved the absence of ether.

Finding our way out of this muddle involves a third M who is less well known: Miller. Dayton Miller worked with Morley, and later on his own, to perfect interferometric measurements of the effects of the ether. His many measurements over several years consistently indicated the presence of an ether flow of approximately 10 km/sec, a direct confirmation of the Michelson-Morley result. The logical conclusion is that the ether is present, but rather than being stationary in space it is moving at almost the velocity of the earth. It is partially entrained. This confirmation of a measurable ether flow has been studiously ignored by academia and has caused no end of grief. [4]

The perceptual problem we must overcome is directly comparable to the difficulty of moving from the Ptolemaic viewpoint to the Copernican viewpoint. . . .

www.neoetherics.com...

This is why we need alternative physics. Mainstream physics refuses to return to the ether.

originally posted by: Mary Rose
Mainstream physics refuses to return to the ether.

That is because there is no proof whatsoever for the "ether"! The only "ether" is the organic compound...

Hey brothers and sisters, change your passwords if you joined that Aether Force... check out what someone posted online:

www.filedropper.com... (after clicking the "Download This File" link), enter the captcha and get the zip file mentioned below:

OPEN LETTER ABOUT TECHZ's WORDPRESS DATABASE

Early in November 2013, we purchased some mailing lists from Techz of Aether Force and became very disappointed.

1. Techz claimed that he had a good mailing list that he was willing to sell that had almost 4000 contacts who were interested in alternative science & energy.

2. For an extra amount of Bitcoin, he was willing to sell us his Wordpress Database that already had a bunch of articles in it - he was pitching this as "original content" that we could repost, put in articles, etc...

3. After sending Techz some Bitcoin for our purchase, we found that over 95% of all the people on the list were fake spambot accounts, which he used to artificially inflate the membership numbers at his website Aether Force. He actually only had a couple hundred legitimate registrants although he claimed his site went "viral". Upon further research, about 20% of the non-spambots were actually Techz accounts under different usernames.

4. The "original content" was loaded with nothing more than a character assassination campaign against several individuals - and we were told it was quality content covering all kinds of alternative science & energy topics. Techz was literally trying to get us to repost his attack campaign against Eric Dollard by passing off the posts as "original content" dealing with alternative energy and science.

5. Furthermore, we found that he had been accusing other websites, people, etc. of suppressing information. However, he accidently gave us a full backup of his Aether Force site, which included several pages of posts from his own users that he was censoring; especially, anything that disagreed with him or his character assassination campaign against others.

6. Included in the Aether Force files that Techz provided us, he also accidently included a few scripts that he had that captured the member's passwords as they were submitted, which bypassed the WordPress encrypted password system. We are deleting the passwords for all the users but will include the normal WP database and a spreadsheet of all the users everyone can see if they are on the list of users with compromised passwords.

If your name and email appear in this list, we recommend to IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THE PASSWORD of any account that you have that uses the same password as what you used in Aether Force, immediately!

aetherforce.com is hosted by keychests.com and the owner is:
person: mohamed youssef
address: 494 po box
address: new york, NY 10150 US
phone: +1.866.398.7638
nic-hdl: MY1335-RIPE
abuse-mailbox: [email protected]

Mohamed Youssef's personal address is:
Ray Savant
463 W 49th, Apt 3
New York, NY 10019
(718) 308-1295
[email protected]

To verify the database file that is included in this zip file, simply install the db to a wordpress site and it will be the aetherforce.com site as it was in November, 2013. Also check the Wayback Machine during that period and you will see it is identical.

Summary:

We will never get our Bitcoin back for this scam transaction by Techz but we can prevent anyone else from getting ripped off. We weren't going to bring this public but just recently as we were going through our files, we found that script that duplicates the submitted user's password in a non-encrypted form. That was when we decided to come forward with this for your protection. We are stumped as to why he provided us with all these files instead of just a mailing list and word doc with articles. We are only interested in mailing people about our energy saving products and don't want to get involved in the personal quibbles amongst the alternative energy community.

What is also disturbing is that we also received a folder entitled "Arch Aether Mages", which had a folder for various people involved with alternative energy, politics and so on and one of the folders was dedicated to Adolf Hitler of all people. There actually weren't any files in this folder, just a bunch of website shortcut links to all kinds of Hitler propaganda, photos, videos, books, etc... he seems quite obsessive about Hitler and propaganda.

Techz only knows us by our anonymous handle that we used to communicate on skype and all Bitcoin transactions are encrypted and anonymous. We predict that Techz will deny our claims and will make his own counter-claim that some hackers must have broke into his site and orchestrated all of this. But if hackers were able to get into his encrypted password protected site, what else were they able to get into that belongs to Techz? That is a little splinter for his mind as he loses in both cases. The Aether Force members will believe that Techz did sell out their contact info for a quick Bitcoin or they will believe that some hackers broke in. In both cases, Techz is exposed as a fraud for having a website with over 95% fake users and is exposed as a fraud for accusing others as suppressing information while he censors his own user's posts that disagree with him.

If you want to purchase mailing lists for any particular topic, there are plenty of places that sell qualified lists as well as royalty free articles. You don't have to get ripped off like we did so stay away from Techz.

Sincerely,
Anonymous
Canada

All for the aether? Lol
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