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Originally posted by St Udio
reply to post by windword
your long answer can be whittled down to...
the fetus does not have a 'Born On' date
all legal entities have a 'birth', be the entities corporations or humans
and in response to the post above mine...[paraphrase] pregnant woman & baby dies= 2 murders[/]
the pregnant woman is the legal party...and had full intentions of birthing the baby...thus 2 lives were taken, but only one legal entity was denied their civil rights, both to live themselves and to birth the babyedit on 16-1-2013 by St Udio because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Itaska
Has it been mentioned yet that if a murderer shoots and kills a pregnant woman the perpetrator of the crime is doubly charged unless the child is saved through surgery or otherwise. Now why is that?
C'mon now - let's hear from all of you out there who claim that the child that lives within the mother is not a human person, but merely a blob of useless non-living flesh - and believe me that's what the abortionists actually claim.
To even make such a claim is a sign of an extremely low level of intelligence - it defies common sense on all levels of human understanding.
edit on 16-1-2013 by Itaska because: none
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by marbles87
NO, sex isn't all about having kids. It a biological urge. It's an expression of love and of the human need for physical intimacy and affection.
Sex is important to mental health and it's fun. It's a form of entertainment.
Sex is important for biological health as well.
Masturbating may protect against prostate cancer
Not just good, but good for you
Honestly you sound like a puritan who thinks that sex should be performed by women as a duty, to have children, and any other reason is a sin.
3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities;
Has it been mentioned yet that if a murderer shoots and kills a pregnant woman the perpetrator of the crime is doubly charged unless the child is saved through surgery or otherwise. Now why is that?
Why isn't abortion murder?,
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Abortion is to murder what masturbation is to mass murder.
Both potential life
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Why isn't abortion murder?,
It IS murder. One human stopping another humans heart from beating is murder. It's legalized murder but people don't want to see the truth of that. Sad but true.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Abortion is to murder what masturbation is to mass murder.
Both potential life
That's silly.
A baby murdered by abortion isn't 'potential life' .. he or she was ALREADY LIFE. Feeling pain ... playing with his or her toes ... opening and closing his or her eyes ... smiling ... yawning ... sleeping .. waking ...
Masterbation kills no one .. no one has their heart stopped .. no one is painfully shredded alive or burned alive.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Your simple answer just dissolved the whole conception claim.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by tallcool1
The Op of this thread is trying to force the label 'murder' onto abortion. Murder is illegal. It is punishable all the way up to death.
To call it murder is to say people should be prosecuted for it. That is an attempt to force a view
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Your simple answer just dissolved the whole conception claim.
That's a whole other discussion ...
Basic fact .. one human being stopping the beating heart of another human being.
That's murder. Plain and simple. Murder.
There is a heart beat 22 days after conception.
It isn't picked up and seen on ultrasound until about 6 weeks after conception.
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by FlyersFan
Heart is just a pump, I dont think thats what makes us persons. Or would people with artificial hearts and thus no heartbeat cease to be persons?
Higher brain activity is a better criterion for personhood. And that happens around 20 weeks of fetal development.
Originally posted by tallcool1[/I
While I do see the need for some rare cases of abortion to be allowed (in my opinion) for rape, incest, medical issues, etc.
I would much rather my tax dollars funded education and free birth control to whoever wants it.
The following is my "old guy" rant:
This countries young people (roughly 30 years old and younger) have serious issues understanding personal responsibility.
Originally posted by neoholographic
Originally posted by Itaska
Has it been mentioned yet that if a murderer shoots and kills a pregnant woman the perpetrator of the crime is doubly charged unless the child is saved through surgery or otherwise. Now why is that?
C'mon now - let's hear from all of you out there who claim that the child that lives within the mother is not a human person, but merely a blob of useless non-living flesh - and believe me that's what the abortionists actually claim.
To even make such a claim is a sign of an extremely low level of intelligence - it defies common sense on all levels of human understanding.
edit on 16-1-2013 by Itaska because: none
Exactly. The hypocrisy knows no bounds!