Why do American children become killers??, page 2


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reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 11:36 AM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by Juggernog

The 20 year old Lanza was obviously emotionally immature....quite severely so in fact.


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 12:11 PM by jimmiec
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I would debate that he is a child as far as maturity and wisdom that come with age goes. When i was 12 i mowed yards,hauled hay,shucked corn and all manner of other jobs. We have child labor laws now that prohibit things like that. Like it or not,things like that effect when you mature and how you feel about life in general. A lot of 24 year olds are just plain soft and immature. They are used to being coddled. I was not coddled at all. I get mad sometimes but i have never ever ever thought about turning a gun on a group of people. There is not a single thing we can point to that causes them to kill when they get angry. There is a whole list of accumulated things that culminate into it.


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 12:19 PM by Guenter
reply to post by jimmiec

You pretty on the mark there. If you grow up being told you cannot do this or that, are not allowed to do so because you are still a "child" then what more "manly" thing can you du but go out with a gun and show that you are a "Man".


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 12:34 PM by elrem48
Originally posted by Guenter
reply to post by jimmiec

You pretty on the mark there. If you grow up being told you cannot do this or that, are not allowed to do so because you are still a "child" then what more "manly" thing can you du but go out with a gun and show that you are a "Man".


Are you kidding? If THAT is your "mindset"...that in itself is frightening! What do GUNS have to do with showing that you are a "MAN"?


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 12:44 PM by Guenter
Originally posted by elrem48
Originally posted by Guenter
reply to post by jimmiec

You pretty on the mark there. If you grow up being told you cannot do this or that, are not allowed to do so because you are still a "child" then what more "manly" thing can you du but go out with a gun and show that you are a "Man".


Are you kidding? If THAT is your "mindset"...that in itself is frightening! What do GUNS have to do with showing that you are a "MAN"?


I was quoting the killers mind set. Should have been obvious.


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 12:54 PM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by elrem48

She has a point for some on the psychological fringe....which unfortunately includes many of the "Bully" profile who often find employment in the police force.


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 01:47 PM by elrem48
Originally posted by Guenter
Originally posted by elrem48
Originally posted by Guenter
reply to post by jimmiec

You pretty on the mark there. If you grow up being told you cannot do this or that, are not allowed to do so because you are still a "child" then what more "manly" thing can you du but go out with a gun and show that you are a "Man".


Are you kidding? If THAT is your "mindset"...that in itself is frightening! What do GUNS have to do with showing that you are a "MAN"?


I was quoting the killers mind set. Should have been obvious.



My mistake...it wasn't obvious to me, however that may be because I was thinking on the lines of that it takes alot more than just being told "you're still a child" to be able to commit murder in the name of THAT reason!


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 01:52 PM by elrem48
Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by elrem48

She has a point for some on the psychological fringe....which unfortunately includes many of the "Bully" profile who often find employment in the police force.


I really find psychotropic drugs and other drugs to be more a factor than some of the reasons stated, hence your words "psychological fringe" exactly...but I ask, "Which came first...the chicken or the egg?"


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 02:00 PM by seabag
reply to post by PerfectAnomoly


This is not an American phenomenon and it’s not even new.

B ritain's adolescent killers are getting younger and their crimes more sadistic and sexual. So says Dr Sue Bailey, a consultant forensic adolescent psychiatrist who probably knows more about young murderers than anyone else in Britain.
Her study of their lives, published in the Journal of Adolescence, reveals a succession of grim backgrounds that preceded their horrific crimes.


She visits child killers across the country. Most are held in secure or medium-secure units until they are old enough to go to young offender institutions. Of her study of the 20 she has known longest - all but two of them males - she says: "They come from backgrounds of unstable family lives, absent fathers with a history of alcohol abuse, psychopathic disorders, and violence at home. Mothers had a history of depression and found it increasingly difficult to look after the children as they got older."
link


I think you’ve been propagandized! Don't believe the MSM hype.


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 05:07 PM by Neopan100
reply to post by nixie_nox


you know that person that wrote that did it for media attention and sympathy...right? Pathetic....


reply posted on 15-1-2013 @ 05:31 PM by Frogs
reply to post by PerfectAnomoly


Well - actually there has been some research done on the various mass shootings. Yes, some of them were committed by young people but, the average age of the shooters is 35.

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

The average age of the killers was 35, though the youngest among them was a mere 11 years old. (See Jonesboro, Ark., in 1998.) A majority were mentally ill—and many displayed signs of it before setting out to kill.


The source of the above "Mother Jones news" isn't exactly a right wing publication.

So we've established they were NOT all children, in fact, most were not. However, most did display some form of mental illness.

That's one down.

For the second, guns are actually less common now than they used to be. Consider America 150 years ago, 100 years ago, even 50 years ago. Children grew up around much more exposure to actual guns and shooting then than now. I don't mean TV or games, I mean actual real guns and kids seeing actual guns shooting or shooting a gun themselves was way more common years ago.

Yet, these mass killings are a relatively recent phenomena. So what has changed?
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