The Microwave Conspiracy

Hello everybody!

This time I would like to discuss the topic for which I could find no other name but the 'Microwave conspiracy'. Not so long ago we all used wired communications, just like Nature itself uses in living organisms: thousands and thousands of miles of wires inside each living being to connect various nervous centers to the respective body parts. Every organ however small receives its own wire, but why bother if wireless communication is so much better? Because obviously it is not. Wireless communication is reseved by Nature for some other purposes, like telepathy, empathy and other higher level social behavior. Low-level behavior is regulated by zillions of wires. It is robust, energy efficient and makes every part of your body work as intended. Imagine what would happen if your liver started receiving signals that were addressed to your stomach, and vice versa? I guess it would be a total confusion leading to the collapse of your body.

What do we have today instead? Everywhere there is high-frequency exposure, and it is increasing. More and more bands are introduced, and exposure in the established ranges becomes higher. Official point of view is that there are no known health effects of the so called 'low-level' microwave exposure (i.e. cellphones, cell masts, wi-fi routers, wireless baby monitors, DECT phones, wireless electricity meters are supposed to be 'healthy'). Basically it means that unless you put your head inside a microwave oven, you are perfectly safe. Authorities claim that there is 'not enough' evidence that there are significant health effects of microwave radiation. However, there is plenty of evidence. Here are just a few links to peer-reviewed medical publications that prove there are too many health effects associated with microwave exposure:

Single-strand DNA breaks

Fetal brain damage

Brain oxidation

Effects on immune system, stress response, blood-brain barrier, blood pressure, reproductive tract

Kidney diseases

Heart palpitations

Genotoxic effects

Degradation of plants

The question is why with all these effects there is a trend to suppress this scientifically proven data and sedate the public with the "no significant evidence" argument? There is enough evidence to at least suspend the extension of the existing networks and standards and recommend removal of wi-fi from schools, kindergartens, hospitals, etc. at the same time funding a more extensive independent research.
Also, some people claim they can feel high-frequency radiation and are affected by it. In some countries (like Sweden) these symptoms are taken into account while in other countries such people are ridiculed or even called crazy. I myself can feel certain electromagnetic fields. I used to have this capability long before the first cellular network was introduced. I can distinguish low frequency power lines from wireless transmitters. And 800MHz, 2.5GHz and higher waves seemingly give the most unpleasant feelings. Due to this discomfort (and not because of just reading some reports) I do not use Wi-Fi at home and I usually avoid restaurants which offer free wireless Internet. I don't even need to read the sign, I know from 20-30 m that there is a Wi-Fi router there. But now it is almost impossible to find a place without one.

And in conclusion, one more question: why would anybody want to hide microwave antennas by disguising them as trees and other natural landmarks?


More examples of cellphone tower disguises

Lol, I didn't realsie they hid things like that! SnF! Thank you.

reply to post by mrkeen

A friend of mine wont eat and food cooked in a microwave.

They will tell you to never stand near a microwave when its in use. So its ok to radiate the food we're about to eat but we cant stand next to the device radiating the food?

Originally posted by mrkeen


And in conclusion, one more question: why would anybody want to hide microwave antennas by disguising them as trees and other natural landmarks?

Maybe for no other reason that they don't want to ruin the environment...aesthetically of course.

I would also point out that for the body to communicate with other bodies we also have a set of transmitters and receivers that aren't wired into these other bodies so the analogy kinda falls there as it seems we are actually very similar in concept.

As to the medical side effects...I'mm open minded about it.

Edit - actually, I do think they probably have some effect, everything does, but we will evolve.


2nd Edit - also, I don't use microwaves either cause I don't trust them.

lol.. i always thought Microwaves are something weird to have it in ones home...

It just doesn't fir the picture with rest of the kitchen appliance.


I would not be surprised if in the future.. like 30 yrs from now, they find that Microwave are actually causing bad chronic effects.

Originally posted by JykanI would also point out that for the body to communicate with other bodies we also have a set of transmitters and receivers that aren't wired into these other bodies so the analogy kinda falls there as it seems we are actually very similar in concept.

Communicating with other bodies is social communication by definition, that's exactly what I wrote in the opening post. So no contradiction here. This communication has its own energies and frequencies, so it can also be affected by artificial radiation exposure. This is one more aspect to think about regarding modern wireless technologies.

Originally posted by Jykanactually, I do think they probably have some effect, everything does, but we will evolve.

You don't have any guarantees that humanity will evolve into something good with all these factors. I've read a sci-fi novel in which some aliens evolved into ugly goblins after they runied their ecology. These goblins were happy to live in their polluted barren world, but I'd say we better have some other future for ourselves on Earth.

reply to post by mrkeen


You know I have ALWAYS wondered about this...simply because the microwave became a new household product around the same time people were drinking irradiated water as a "healthy" option...

When I was little I always asked my mom if it was safe to stand next to and she said yes but I STILL never did it...for some reason instinctively I didn't want to be next to the damn thing and to this day I walk away when something is cooking in it.

As far as what it does to your food I have questioned that as well but I still eat microwaved food because honestly...when you are hungry you don't make the most rational decisions...you just want to eat...a hungry stomach makes horrible decisions.

anyway I wouldn't be surprised if it was "unhealthy" pretty much everything that was invented for convenience has turned out to be a bad idea with consequences were just NOW beginning to see/understand...assuming we are willing to acknowledge them at all (hello ignorance).

I remember reading somewhere about a simple test anyone can do to see how unhealthy microwaves are. Simply get 2 plants both equally healthy and water one with regular water and the other with water you microwave. Let the water you microwave cool to room temp before watering plant.

Anyway the microwaved water apparently stunts the growth and health of the plant.

Wish I could find the source for the above...

Originally posted by Jykanactually, I do think they probably have some effect, everything does, but we will evolve.

You don't have any guarantees that humanity will evolve into something good with all these factors. I've read a sci-fi novel in which some aliens evolved into ugly goblins after they runied their ecology. These goblins were happy to live in their polluted barren world, but I'd say we better have some other future for ourselves on Earth.


Not sure a sci-fi store constitutes a guarantee either mind.

The fact remains that everything has an effect on us. It's not in human nature to live together in harmony appreciating the world for what it is...I wish it was.

We would rather mould that world to our needs and take the chance that we evolve technically beyond the harm we do.

reply to post by Sly1one

Thank you for your post, but this thread it is not about microwave ovens in the first place. It is about the microwave frequencies in cellphones, wireless routers, etc., especially regarding non-thermal effects, which are more sophisticated than the effects you mentioned. You can turn off or throw your microwave oven out of the window, but you can't just 'turn off' a cellphone mast that is seen from your window or your neighbor's wi-fi router. And these devices produce microwave exposure which is harmful in more than one way (see my first post for the links). I apologize if the thread name is misleading, but technically speaking 'microwave' means a lot more than just kitchen gadgets. It's at the core of today's communication technology.

There is one problem with this conspiracy...just like the problem with Chemtrails...

IT EFFECTS EVERYONE...

reply to post by Jykan

I used the sci-fi analogy as a mere illustration. If you prefer a more realistic example, the recent spill in the Gulf of Mexico triggered numerous mutations in the creatures living there. These mutations are harmful and the creatures are crippled. Science is yet to prove that mutations can lead to improvements in living organisms. We should be aware about the effects of today's technology on the environment. And if oil spills are far away and are just occasional disasters, the wireless tech is in our homes and on the streets, it's too widespread to ignore and perhaps the most simple area to deal with. Just turn off your wi-fi router and suggest your neighbor to do the same. Buy an electrosmog meter (there are some cheap models starting from $150 or so), and check your home and your workplace, and if it shows too much exposure (e.g. more than 8 uW/c2), taken some measures to reduce exposure. You will probably like the way you feel without too much wireless signals running through you body. You can then find places without exposure, where you can relax and meditate and take your kids to play there. And so on. These are simple first steps toward the acknowledgement of actual health risks associated with wireless technology. People need to be educated and prepared and not bury their heads in the sand believing that this tech is safe just because the scientists are too busy or unprepared to popularize their findings (except for some prominent volunteers).

reply to post by abeverage

You made a good point. But the main premise of this 'conspiracy' is not about not being affected, but about hiding the scientific findings about the harmful effects. People who possess big money can be very greedy to the point of ignoring any health risks that this wireless expansion brings about in favor of high profits. And also if you have a lot of money, you can live wherever you want, especially far away from the places where most cellphone towers and other transmitters are located. But if you are an ordinary citizen you can't move around that easily. Also in some countries you can't even buy an electrosmog meter to check your environment, and healthcare specialists refuse to acknowledge symptoms associated with microwave/cellphone exposure. So this is not necessarily a conspiracy to make people mutants, but a conspiracy to conceal important information which prevents people from making a conscious decision and protecting themselves from excessive exposure, e.g. when they live too close to a cellphone tower.

Originally posted by mrkeen
reply to post by abeverage

 

You made a good point. But the main premise of this 'conspiracy' is not about not being affected, but about hiding the scientific findings about the harmful effects. People who possess big money can be very greedy to the point of ignoring any health risks that this wireless expansion brings about in favor of high profits. And also if you have a lot of money, you can live wherever you want, especially far away from the places where most cellphone towers and other sources are located. But if you are an ordinary citizen you can't move around that easily. Also in some countries you can't even buy an electrosmog meter to check your environment, and healthcare specialists refuse to acknowledge symptoms associated with microwave/cellphone exposure. So this is not necessarily a conspiracy to make people mutants, but a conspiracy to conceal important information which prevents people from making a conscious decision and protecting themselves from excessive exposure, e.g. when they live too close to a cellphone tower.

edit on 15-1-2013 by mrkeen because: minor edit

Ok sure you might be limiting your exposure but the rich still have to work and many do in cities. I will concede that there is no way I would live under one, but within a hundred yard why not? Frequency is not direct so unless I am holding it to my head often I see no harm...

Originally posted by abeverage
Ok sure you might be limiting your exposure but the rich still have to work and many do in cities. I will concede that there is no way I would live under one, but within a hundred yard why not? Frequency is not direct so unless I am holding it to my head often I see no harm...

Do you believe everything the rich do is absolutely ingenious? I think that the rich are the same people as everybody, and they can be ignorant and stupid at times. Or just not enough educated on the subject. Do you believe they would listen to somebody saying they shouldn't launch another 5G/6G, etc. mobile network which would bring them huge profits? I don't believe they would even notice any such data unless the scientific community is unanimous about the effects. But there is enough research that says there are harmful effects and this type of research is mainly ignored. By the way, most people don't believe something exists unless they can see/feel it. There are not so many people who can feel EMF directly. But people may be experiencing other symptoms such as high blood pressure, tachycardia, nausea, etc. and not even know this may be caused by microwave exposure. Doctors should be aware of the research on health effects of microwave radiation, and maybe they are the main target audience to be educated, rather than ordinary people. But in my opinion everybody should know and decide for themselves to which extent they need wireless devices in their life.

Originally posted by mrkeen

Originally posted by abeverage
Ok sure you might be limiting your exposure but the rich still have to work and many do in cities. I will concede that there is no way I would live under one, but within a hundred yard why not? Frequency is not direct so unless I am holding it to my head often I see no harm...

Do you believe everything the rich do is absolutely ingenious? I think that the rich are the same people as everybody, and they can be ignorant and stupid at times. Or just not enough educated on the subject. Do you believe they would listen to somebody saying they shouldn't launch another 5G/6G, etc. mobile network which would bring them huge profits? I don't believe they would even notice any such data unless the scientific community is unanimous about the effects. But there is enough research that says there are harmful effects and this type of research is mainly ignored. By the way, most people don't believe something exists unless they can see/feel it. There are not so many people who can feel EMF directly. But people may be experiencing other symptoms such as high blood pressure, tachycardia, nausea, etc. and not even know this may be caused by microwave exposure. Doctors should be aware of the research on health effects of microwave radiation, and maybe they are the main target audience to be educated, rather than ordinary people. But in my opinion everybody should know and decide for themselves to which extent they need wireless devices in their life.

edit on 15-1-2013 by mrkeen because: (no reason given)

Well said that is why the Human race is doomed..

Interesting post, S&F!

I work for a cable/internet company and can safely say that a wireless internet signal does the same amount of damage as a microwave, in fact we actually had a manual sent about wireless signals emitting for a 65 foot span. I have become so sensitive to frequency that even certain lightbulbs bother me, my wifi has to be turned off at all times unless in use and have even dedicated a "No frequency" room to the suite, I think we have a ridiculously low wattage in there but thats it. I think this is important, and it certainly is not natural for us to have this much electromagnetic smog around us 24/7

Personally I never had a microwave as a child, had one in my early/late teens but realized pretty quickly after the whole plant test with microwaved water versus filtered water. I could only imagine what this was doing to my insides. I still have a microwave but have it stored away for some bizarre reason, but honestly, there should be no point. If you need to heat something up, throw it on the stove top. Sure it may take 10 minutes longer, but time to learn a little patience for your brain and bodys sake!

reply to post by gladtobehere


Your food is exposed to ionising beta or gamma radiation before it even gets delivered to the supermarket, to kill any pathogens present.

Irradiating food does not make it radioactive.

Analogy:
You cook your food using a fire, but you wouldn't want to put your hand in the fire would you?

Originally posted by RooskiZombi
Interesting post, S&F!

I work for a cable/internet company and can safely say that a wireless internet signal does the same amount of damage as a microwave, in fact we actually had a manual sent about wireless signals emitting for a 65 foot span. I have become so sensitive to frequency that even certain lightbulbs bother me, my wifi has to be turned off at all times unless in use and have even dedicated a "No frequency" room to the suite, I think we have a ridiculously low wattage in there but thats it. I think this is important, and it certainly is not natural for us to have this much electromagnetic smog around us 24/7

I also used to work for a company with a lot of wireless tech around my workplace. I was electrosensitive to some degree before that, but after about two years there I had such an electrosensitivity that I nearly lost consciousness at the end of each day. I spent a lot of money for medical tests like MRI, but in the end they told me I was fine, there were no serious illnesses that could produce such effects, but I still had to give up that job and move to another place. The funny thing is I didn't know anything about these wireless technologies before those events. Surprisingly, I was not the only one to quit that job, about six people did the same in one month.

Originally posted by RooskiZombi
Personally I never had a microwave as a child, had one in my early/late teens but realized pretty quickly after the whole plant test with microwaved water versus filtered water. I could only imagine what this was doing to my insides. I still have a microwave but have it stored away for some bizarre reason, but honestly, there should be no point. If you need to heat something up, throw it on the stove top. Sure it may take 10 minutes longer, but time to learn a little patience for your brain and bodys sake!

There is a difference between thermal and non-thermal effects of microwave radiation. The above links are about non-thermal effects, produced by low-level radiation from mobile phones, masts, routers, and other wireless devices. Non-thermal means that your body doesn't heat up because of that radiation (as is the case with the food inside a m/w oven), but instead receives certain resonances and extraneous signals that affect the way your cells and organs work. These resonances for example can break your DNA, producing mutations and damaging cells. But there are also reactions from the nervous and immune systems, blood-brain barrier, etc. Personally I believe the difference in people who feel and who don't feel these waves is in quantity. With all these antennas around it wouldn't take long before more and more people receive enough exposure to become hypersensitive. I wish humanity would learn from that to prevent excessive use of wireless technologies.

Here is an interesting BBC documentary about Wi-Fi and health: