Originally posted by k1k1to
Originally posted by SpearMint
Theory 1. Often people don't want to believe this because they think it's boring, but I think it's that simple, because I think life and conciousness is just chemical reactions and electrical signals. That's what I will believe until it's proven to be wrong, because that's what appears to be true.edit on 15-1-2013 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
so you are telling me that our brain is the only organ in existence that has become self aware of its own existence?...
is there something else "observing" us i.e our soul or spirit ?
why isnt our heart self aware of its own existence?...why cant the heart or spleen or kidney think about itself?
Originally posted by toktaylor
Where were we before we were born? As Theory 1 would suggest, we never existed (at least there is no evidence to support this). As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end...I hope i am wrong....
Originally posted by 1Agnostic1
First, the word 'death' shouldn't even exist. It implies 'nothingness' to be a state of existence which is utterly ridiculous. It gives a reality to 'norhing'. As far as we KNOW, there is indeed nothing.
What once was a simple semantic problem has become a metaphysical one.
We started by saying he/she/it is 'dead' to express the fact that he/she/it isn't alive anymore. We created a concept out of convenience but from there it went from bad to worse: it was the begining of the nonsense.
We started to create a state of 'being dead' (death) and gave it life.
One should be better off asking himself "why do I wish there's something beyond physical existence?"
If answered honestly, this question should teach you that it is indeed all wishful thinking, fear of ceasing to exist, delusion and narcissism.
Your mind/consciousness has no energy of its own per se. It is simply an abstract concept to describe mental existence (brain activity). It has no physical reality...
...Why else than because it appears to comfort you as it satisfies you desires (and alleviate your fears) do you NEED TO BELIEVE (without proof, not even logical -as opposed to empirical- ones in 'something else'?
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by darktouch
Reincarnation seems the most "logical" to me
Actually, the most logical would be the "oblivion" theory -- there is no real evidence that we are anything other than self-aware animals, ruled by chemicals and instincts, so it takes belief (aka: a leap in logic) to see things otherwise.
As for reincarnation, there are a lot of problems with it -- where do "new souls" come from? As the population increases, either new souls are being made, or most people are soulless.
How are people supposed to progress if they have no accumulated memory? How are you supposed to learn from past life experiences if almost no one remembers them?
Why does such an insignificant number of the population remember past lives, and why are a disparate proportion of those lives notable (remembering being a prince or hero, as opposed to the peasants and serfs who made up the vast, vast majority of humankind over the millennia?)
If there is such a thing as karma, who administers it,
and what's the point?
Why do people who live in a culture that believes in reincarnation have past life memories that perfectly mirror those beliefs, even when they are in opposition with another culture whose beliefs are completely different, yet also supported by claims of past life memories?
Originally posted by PurpleVortex
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by PurpleVortex
Do you dream? I hope so. Well, wouldn't you say there is awareness outside of your body? Ever heard of lucid dreaming? Out of body experience? Lack of knowledge and experience dictate peoples beliefs so i don't blame you. But....you are in for a big surprise my friend.
You are comparing death to sleep? One needs to be alive to sleep, dream and have out of body experiences. Awareness is an epiphenomenon of a living sensual organism. The prerequisite of a living organism is to be alive. But lack of knowledge and experience dictate peoples beliefs so i don't blame you.
Well, how do you explain NDE? Ever had a NDE? I assume not. Clinically dead for 10 minutes? Cause I have. I was much more aware than when I was alive. Like I said lack of experience sir...Have a NDE and come back (hopefully) and maybe we can continue this conversation.
Originally posted by SubSea
Anyone who does not believe in it, explain to the world why the human body loses a very small amount of weight upon death. Explain the boy who recognized his ship-mates from WWII, and other reincarnation stories and no just saying "they do not stand up to investigation" does not cut it.
Reincarnation is the most prevalent religious belief, although it may not be related to a God at all.
As some have said, there is an energy which cannot be destroyed, we refer to it as a soul. It may be our body just plugging into a "collective consciousness".
What ever it is, there is something that leaves the human body at death.