I'm guessing between 2, 4, and 5, though I don't see much difference between 4 and 5. I'm also hoping 2 is a choice and not a requirement. 3 might be
possible, though I'm unsure how you could really tell objectively. And 1, though a favorite of rationalists who admit to nothing else anyway, is
unlikely, not because of my belief structure, but because of so much anecdotal evidence to the contrary. There are so very many stories of OBE/NDEs
that it seems overwhelming. The rationalists would have us believe its a chemical reaction that just happens to be lying to us. This seems a tortured
explanation that is as unproven as survival itself. It's almost comical to see the twisted paths people like Steven Pinker go through to get us to
NONE of this, however, presupposes God, Jesus, or any other religious belief system and it's really TOO BAD that this question is dominated by those
belief systems. Kudos to OP for trying to keep this situation separate because once it's allowed to enter, NO WONDER rationalists reject it. I don't
blame them and I used to be one of them myself. The religious explanations are just as torturous as claiming chemicals trick us into believing we
survive death. If I have to choose between the religious explanations and the rationalist, I would choose the latter. I also maintain that if the
rationalists had not been so damaged by the religious explanations, they would be more open to the ideas presented here. But they tend to throw the
baby out with the bathwater.
The issue for me is how much control we have over events. Do we even have a choice? It may be that our egos, i.e.: What we consider to be our
consciousness and inner being, is subsumed at another level and nowhere near as important as we now deem. In other words, we may not be as important
in the scheme of things as we think we are. Naturally, THAT'S what we want to hang on to at this level. I have a nagging feeling that the
reincarnation angle is something we are forced into, not something we would willingly choose.
A common theme in the reincarnation angle is that we are made to forget to see if our lessons take. That uopsets me for several reasons. One is that
it is equivalent to forcing us to put a bag over our head, forget everything, and go down here to suffer through it all. Secondly, looking around I'm
not sure the majority of our lives are all that great. Except for a select few, like most of us on ATS, the rest of the world live lives of hunger,
poverty and disease. It would seem senseless and unnecessary suffering. So I'm not with the reinrnationists because I consider it totalitarian.
IMO what really needs to happen is that science needs to find its way to a scientific explanation for survival. That has got to be the next big step
in our understanding, and once we get there it will be as big as the Enlightenment and the Renaissance. And of survival is true, science MUST get
there. There aren't two separate realms. Survival can be explained scientifically, but, of course, they won't touch it, understandably.
I've just outlined my suspicions. I really do not know for sure. It amuses me when people talk as if they do.
edit on 1/15/2013 by schuyler
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