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Originally posted by Jameliel
I "must" not do anything simply because you say it and see things that way. I "must" do, think , and feel what I learn from my own experiences and from observing others experiences. You "must" do what you you will do, not anyone else unless they feel it themselves. It is not for me to say why God did/does some of the complex things he did/does. I wonder "WHY" about many things, but I'm wise enough to know I don't "HAVE" to know the why right now.
Again, I HATE satan and his minions. I believe God HATES him and his dark influences as well. Somehow inside of myself I feel this=) If you feel differently, maybe you are right. Eventually we will probably know in another life. Maybe at that time we will be able to look back on this and share a laugh, who knows? The only thing I know about knowing, is that none of us really "KNOW" anything about WHY God does or did certain things. We can read books and make our own assumptions based on what others have told us and what we have observed, but unless God stands in front of you on this Earth and tells you "WHY", then at the foundation, we really only have our assumptions. That goes for me, you and everyone else=)
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by Jameliel
reply to post by Greatest I am
I do not take every work in the "Scriptures" as literal, nor do I even know if the verse you used was originally written that way. I HATE murderers of innocence. I HATE the molestation of little children. I HATE cold-heartedness and uncaring for others. Therefore I HATE satan and all his little minions.
I also do not believe that God "loves" satan. Perhaps he once did, but it is my belief that he HATES satan with righteous anger and righteous hate. Hate not being a malicious term in the way I use it, but the opposite of love as there must be. I do not love satan, I detest it.
There are those who would try to make it as if you can walk on both sides of the fence=) You must choose.
I also do not love all and share that with you but if you are a believer then you must believe that God had hate in his heart that needed expression from the very beginning.
Why else would a God who knows all that his creations would do ahead of time create a Satan if he did not want him around?
If you believe in a Satan then you must also believe that Satan has been sentenced to hell by God. You m7ustr then ignore the fact that justice delayed is justice denied and your God allows Satan to roam freely.
Ever wonder why God favors evil?
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Regards
DL
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Greatest I am
Father loves all including Satan, man on the other hand, just doesn't have that kind of love for all as Father does.
Then there can be no hell and Satan is just doing God's bidding. Right?
Regards
DL
Father can still love but seperate his children. Satan is sent there to learn, thus why he is not destroyed in the beginning.
I have talked about this in my thread, Does God love Satan? If you look in my list of threads.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Greatest I am
I can't link a thread on a mobile device.
Can you show me where I stated hell exists and he sends people to torture?
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Greatest I am
I've come to believe and even to know with certainty through reason and logic, that evil (and thus the possibility of hell) was swallowed up by the Great Work of Jesus Christ.
See The Problem of Good vs. Evil (A tribute to Carl Jung by Alan Watts) for more..
We should note re: hell that in Revelation hell and hades and thrown away and anyone caught in it end up in oblivion via "the second death".
Therefore there's no one to love except those who are now, and if there remains a satan or demons, I leave that up to God while reaching out to my fellow man in Christ.
The living water that's freely available to all who thirst, that's non dualistic, as are the two trees on either side of the river, which may represent an integration of left and right brain hemispheres.
Let us keep our focus on the love of God however, and seek not to provoke or to stir up enmity.
Furthermore, in the domain of love there is no motive to sin, and sin, being without reason, burns itself out in the light of truth and understanding.
Best Regards,
NAM
edit on 15-1-2013 by NewAgeMan because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Jameliel
reply to post by Greatest I am
I do not take every work in the "Scriptures" as literal, nor do I even know if the verse you used was originally written that way. I HATE murderers of innocence. I HATE the molestation of little children. I HATE cold-heartedness and uncaring for others. Therefore I HATE satan and all his little minions.
I also do not believe that God "loves" satan. Perhaps he once did, but it is my belief that he HATES satan with righteous anger and righteous hate. Hate not being a malicious term in the way I use it, but the opposite of love as there must be. I do not love satan, I detest it.
There are those who would try to make it as if you can walk on both sides of the fence=) You must choose.
Originally posted by Wonders
Scriptures do not say that believers should love Satan, your reasoning is whack. You don't believe in God and yet you're trying to dictate to others that they should side with your "love satan and demons" twisting of scripture. The only people who would believe you are creeps who don't care about the truth whatsoever.
Originally posted by dodol
Originally posted by Wonders
Scriptures do not say that believers should love Satan, your reasoning is whack. You don't believe in God and yet you're trying to dictate to others that they should side with your "love satan and demons" twisting of scripture. The only people who would believe you are creeps who don't care about the truth whatsoever.
Satan and minions are just symbols for bad people who commit sins.
They are not real.
Why they have to hide in human forms if they are powerful angels?
Cant they do better like start destroying the planet and force people to bow before them? Like End of Days movie?
They can't because they are just symbols.
Originally posted by Wonders
Originally posted by dodol
Originally posted by Wonders
Scriptures do not say that believers should love Satan, your reasoning is whack. You don't believe in God and yet you're trying to dictate to others that they should side with your "love satan and demons" twisting of scripture. The only people who would believe you are creeps who don't care about the truth whatsoever.
Satan and minions are just symbols for bad people who commit sins.
They are not real.
Why they have to hide in human forms if they are powerful angels?
Cant they do better like start destroying the planet and force people to bow before them? Like End of Days movie?
They can't because they are just symbols.
No, Satan and demons are NOT "just symbols for bad people who commit sins."
They do exist.
Who said that they HAVE TO hide in human forms?
You are evidently one of those people whom I spoke of who don't care at all to learn the truth for themselves.
Originally posted by dodol
I believe you should learn how to remove your fear.
Your fear makes you believe they do exist.
Bible and other holy scriptures should not be taken literally.
You should start reading Bible as a Wisdom seeker.
Focus on finding the Wisdom teachings
Not focusing on those myths about the war between good and evil.
The war between good and evil is inside your heart
Like choices:
To murder or not to murder?
To steal or not to steal?
To lie or not to lie?
To hurt or not to hurt?
To love or to hate?
And so on.
Dont let fear trap you in illusion.
Originally posted by Wonders
the cowardly are not worthy to escape.
Originally posted by Wonders
Originally posted by dodol
I believe you should learn how to remove your fear.
Your fear makes you believe they do exist.
Bible and other holy scriptures should not be taken literally.
You should start reading Bible as a Wisdom seeker.
Focus on finding the Wisdom teachings
Not focusing on those myths about the war between good and evil.
The war between good and evil is inside your heart
Like choices:
To murder or not to murder?
To steal or not to steal?
To lie or not to lie?
To hurt or not to hurt?
To love or to hate?
And so on.
Dont let fear trap you in illusion.
I have a different perspective than you say I do. I believe that your fear leads you to believe that they do not exist.
You are in no position to tell me what I should and should not take literally, grow up.
I am not afraid of the truth.
The bible is clear, the cowardly are not worthy to escape.
Originally posted by dodol
No, I wont push you to change. It is your right
I just hope that my posts can help others to overcome the fear of being watched by a short tempered god or the fear of Satan's existence
Just remember that when we all die we cannot bring whatever we own in this world with us, that's including our body, our mind, our faith, our house, and so on.
They all belong to this life. We only borrow them. When we die we have to return them to this world.
Even if Satan does exist, does it matter?
There's something else within every one of us that is much greater than all things exist in this world.
Jesus left us a clue. Kingdom of God is within you. We just have to find it within us. The more we rely on our human senses the more we lose our True Identity.