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Originally posted by wildtimes
Satan is not real.
Please !!!!! "Satan" is a man-made construct, and a scape-goat.
Neither is hell real......
people, please, grow up and realize that "organized religion" and all of its myths, are FICTION for control!!
And you tell me, friend, what "pastor", or "preacher" or "priest" is not TRYING TO FORCE THEIR OWN BELIEFS ONTO OTHERS???????
what I'm discovering is that there really ARE too many structural and plot similarities that leave no question that the Abrahamic faith "morals" were derived from older, MORE sophisticated thinkers such as Socrates, Confucius, etc.
Is my housecat "evil"? Are the ocean
"evil"? The sun? All can be deadly;
none are "evil." The difference
between us and animals is that we can
"think things through" better in some ways (that we know of)....would my
cat care if all of the winter titmice were
exterminated? No, because he has me
giving him food every day. So - does
that make him "Satan" because he
doesn't "care" about making sure there are enough birds for the birds to
continue to breed and live?
Organised religionist also dont blame "satan" for any wrongs as you believe. Satan is not a scapegoat to justify evil behaviour, that would be sick!! Also not a justification to deny accountability.
The Bahá'í Faith rejects the concept of "original sin" or any doctrine that teaches people are basically evil or have intrinsically evil elements in their nature. All the forces and faculties within us are God-given and thus potentially beneficial to our spiritual development.
However, if a person, through his own God-given free will, turns away from this force or fails to make the necessary effort to develop his spiritual capacities, the result is imperfection. `Abdu'l-Bahá said that "evil is imperfection."
The Bahá'í Faith denies the existence of Satan, a devil, or an "evil force." Evil does not have independence existence, but is rather the absence of good, just as darkness is the absence of light and cold is the absence of heat. Just as the sun is the unique source of all life in a solar system, so ultimately is there only one force or power in the universe, the force we call God.
Bahá'u'lláh explained that references to Satan in the Scriptures of earlier religions are symbolic and should not be taken literally. Satan is the personification of man's lower nature which can destroy him if it is not brought into harmony with his spiritual nature. There is, in fact, a well-known philosophical problem concerning God's goodness and omnipotence and the possible existence of a Satan. This problem is discussed in some detail in both the writings of Bahá'u'lláh and `Abdu'l-Bahá.
What are some basic teachings of the Baha'i Faith?
While retaining the basic spiritual teachings of all the Messengers of God, the Baha'i Faith brings new social principles relevant to the needs of a global society: the oneness of humanity, equality of men and women, the abolition of prejudice, the harmony of science and religion and the elimination of extremes of poverty and wealth
Why are Baha'is persecuted in Iran?
The Baha'i Faith, Iran’s largest minority religion, is not accepted as a legitimate religion in that country because Baha’u’llah, the Founder of the Baha’i Faith, appeared after Muhammad. Muhammad is designated in the Qur'an, the Muslim Holy Book, as the Seal of the Prophets (along with other titles) and Muslims have interpreted this verse to mean that Muhammad is the final prophet of God. Therefore, any claim of prophethood after Muhammad is considered blasphemous by the Muslim religious leaders.
Although Baha'u'llah accepted that Muhammad is indeed the Seal of the Prophets just as the Qur'an stated, He explained that the Qur'an itself clarifies that the title does not mean that God will never again reveal Himself to mankind. Baha’is believe Baha’u’llah is the most recent Manifestation of God in a never-ending progression of revelations from God that includes Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Christ, and Muhammad.
Consequently, Baha’is, who number more than 300,000 in Iran have been targets of discrimination and violence in that country since the religion began there in the mid-1800s. More than 200 Baha’is were killed in Iran between 1978 and 1998, the majority by execution. Thousands more were imprisoned.
Is there a way to cure or limit the spread of demonic disease? NO, not demonic possession, which is a vicious myth used to afflict the powerless, but the BELIEF that actual Devils and Hell exists. A belief that fuels and foments the sort of vile actions of the African priest, as well as the vile acts actions and insane rituals that continue in this country- practiced by a certain enclave of fundamentalist whackos.(In his chapter, ‘The Fundamentalist Fringe’ (op. cit. p. 227), Peter Stanford recites how Josiah Strong’s perverted Devil- obsessed form of Christianity has come into our relatively modern times and wreaked havoc on the gullible and mentally vulnerable. )
Which organized religion are you talking about?? The fundamentalists certainly DO BLAME SATAN. Even the Catholics, with their "exorcisms" - and the "casting out of the gay demon" by that evangelical nutcase....
Whatever philosophy they have is already in islam.
Tell me, logical7, do you believe you
will be killed (or should be killed, or
imprisoned) if you renounce Islam as
just another fabricated set of ancient mythologies designed to explain
Did you feel "sinful" reading the Deist
works of Paine? Or what?
If he had addressed the Quran
specifically, as he did the Old Testament and the New Testament,
(both of which existed prior to the
Quran), would you have paid heed?
Or would you have called him a
demon-possessed liar? Or a fool?
If I go by your apparent method, I have to choose ONE PROPHET and dismiss anything that disagrees that THAT ONE PROPHET IS THE RIGHT, ONLY, AND LAST ONE. And I simply don't believe that is true.