I am creating this thread, partially as a kind of response thread to this one. www.abovetopsecret.com...
I spoke at length with many who read the above thread and we discussed many interesting questions. I think it would be a good idea to share other, and
perhaps safer ways of finding answers. These methods are more "down-to-earth" so to speak. I decided to post this thread in the Religion, Faith, and
Theology thread instead of the paranormal, since this topic has more to do with faith and belief-methods rather than strictly dealing with spirits. I
strongly believe that all adults should have freedom of choice when choosing which ways and methods to use, when trying to reach more spiritual
The problem I see in trying to "leave the body" so to speak, is that when using this somewhat arcane method, you open yourself up to a lot more than
positive entities. It takes a certain degree of experience and background-knowledge, before most people are fully able to comprehend what they will
actually be dealing with. While leaving your body may be one legitimate way of meeting with spirits which can help you obtain answers or
clarification, in all honesty, it is a method which requires most people years of self-training to master. For people who are naturally adept at it,
along with their inexperience comes naivety. This can be extremely dangerous and end up causing them to believe mistruths/lies, as well as exposing
them to purely negative energies/entities.
One common and reoccurring theme you will find in nearly any "religious" text, whether it be the bible, the Koran, any number of Gnostic writings, or
historical transcripts and records, is fasting and prayer. Fasting and prayer; these are two of the oldest actions known to mankind that anyone can
do. The first thing I learned from others who taught me was to have pure intent. If you go into a situation with pride, haughtiness, a "the universe
owes me" attitude, then you will be in for a harsh awakening. I will list several basic and numbered steps below for preparing yourself to fast and
pray. Afterwards I will write more about fasting and prayer as individual actions, and what each does.
1.Go somewhere as quiet as possible. This allows you to contemplate and feel without outside influence or pressure.
2.Think about what it is you desire and why you desire it; an answer to a question, to improve some aspect of your personality/being, to leave an
addiction behind, to pray for someone else who needs help, etc.
3.After you have reflected for some moments upon what you desire, make sure your intent is pure and stems from love, goodwill, and an overall desire
to reach a more positive state.
4.Say a short prayer to your God, and ask for the strength,clarity and purity of heart to focus and stick to your goal.
5.Begin your fast with a cup of water and a pinch of salt.
6.Begin prayers and meditation.
What does fasting do? In simple terms, fasting gives us 2 things. First it gives us a way to show we are serious, and that we are not seeking an "easy
fix". We give up one part of ourselves(fuel for the body) in order to focus more on another part of ourselves.(fuel for the spirit). The second thing
it gives us is the eventual ability to relax and somewhat forget the pressures of the physical world around us. The longer you fast, the more that
things which really matter become clearer. It takes personal experience to truly and fully understand this.
What does prayer do? Prayer is our way of speaking with spirit and soul to our Father/God. It requires some faith that he and his spirits can hear us,
and will respond. When you pray, just be yourself. There is nothing hidden before God, so you don't have to "pretend". If you feel angry, then tell
him you're angry and what you're angry about. In this way you will release the anger. If you're sad, speak on it, get everything out. After this you
will feel more calm and start to feel the peace come to you. Most people do not pray nonstop. This is naturally human, and our attention spans are
usually limited. It is ok to stop and look around. Contemplate and think more, but don't try to reason everything all out in your head. Use your head
in combination with your heart and "feel". Pray in your own way and maintain focus on why you are doing it in the first place. In this way you will
come back to praying from time to time, and you will gain greater focus.
For many it isn't always possible to totally escape into the wild. For me going into the wilderness works best, because then I am able to totally
isolate myself and be at peace in nature. If you cannot go to somewhere totally away from people, it will be more difficult, but if you do your best,
you will receive a response. Normally for myself, it takes 2-5 days before I will have clear visions or dreams. For many shamans, they enter a
prayerful/meditative state at will. More on this can be discussed in another thread. For you it may be any length of time, but I think that for most
it will be 2-7 days depending on how earnest you are.
The main thing to remember is to maintain your pure intent and to do the best you can. Some people use a fruit only or a fruit and grain diet. This
may work for some, but for me I don't consider that an actual fast. It is more of a special-diet. It can be very beneficial to health or detoxing, but
for myself and for many others, a real fast consists of water only and perhaps a bit of salt from time to time.
This should cover all the basics, and hopefully the information so far written will help someone. If anyone has questions which I feel able to answer,
I will do my best to help. If any questions are asked which I feel are out of my realm of knowledge, I will ask others more experienced than myself.
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