hey

I guess its possible, but I really dont think so. You should know above all how many times this has been thrown out there as a scare tactic in the same sentence as "GOP" or "republicans"... The guy cries wolf too much. If it happens id be shocked. A few yrs ago when this was floated by Obama someone on here was whining for Obama's safety cause he was pissing off "trained killers" by being generous enough to give them a heads up so they can arrange finances for a possible suspension of veteran benefits. Anyway, didnt happen then either.. or any other time. Hell, I dont know how much more they can cut.. my husband is ex mil and we live near the base he works at with active.. many of the families make so little even being enlisted they qualify for food stamps. I agree.. there are plenty of places to cut ( maybe his vacations) before they start taking the food out of folks' mouths.

Hang in there.

These debt ceilings keep getting closer and closer together.

It is like taking out another credit card to keep paying the interest for the existing twenty.

It will not last too much longer and then, well, the whole mess will go down the poo poo hole. There won't even be enough water to flush.

I wonder what all the troops on deployment will do when they don't get paid and they have to worry about their loved ones back at home.

What will the politicians do when they don't get paid?

P

they wont make these cuts, they know it would be the beginning of the end, i really see rioting in the streets over this
take a mans or womans food from them or their children, then the S will DEFINITELY HTF

Having paid attention to what all is going on, the following can be stated.

This is nothing new, it seems like more and more the federal government is using this as a scare tactic to try to get their own personal agenda passed. This has happened time and time again, threaten and make threats on the very people, to try to look good or their party look good.

Does anyone remember when the Tea party came into their own and forced an agenda on the congress? It is pretty much politics, and they are not holding back, rather they are going to drag their feet, hem, haw and use scare tactics, then come up with something at the very last moment. Should they decide that they are going down that rout, how long till the people really get up at arms?

HI fellow former grunt, I think Obummer is blowing smoke out his arse!

I am sorry I am not closer because I would help if the checks don't come. I don't have much brother but your welcome to share what I have.

If Obama does this and puts out welfare and food stamp money it will go very badly for him and democrats. Frankly, I would prefer to stop the madness now rather than a few years from now when the debt interest payments will be equal to the Pentagon war budget!

The facts remain the debt is impossible to pay off ... the only option is default on our terms and defend property with lives!

Economy, government collapse, stability of dollar and sovereignty of the citizens threatened by increasing debt.
Once the thing collapses NOBODY gets a check.

Originally posted by usmc0311
Why must they begin cuts with those who need it most.

Because it is scary to the plebs. It’s a threat that the Dem's and the Rep's (whoever happens to be in charge at the time blames the other) use every time and they never do it.

It's to get people all emotional and weepy about paying the Soldiers (and Marines ) what they earned.

I do not depend on my retirement per-se, because I invested well and saved and was able to buy a good piece of property and a business after retirement.

My retired 04 pay is pretty much gravy. I can tell you this though; I am utterly dependant on TriCare for my wife's medical issues. No way would anyone cover her (or me) with our issues for any amount that I could reasonably afford.

Anyway, I could have filed a VA claim and was even at one point processed for a medical discharge with a rating of 50% so I know I can at least get that from the VA. However, I haven't filed a claim nor do I intend to because frankly I don't need more money from the coffers. My retirement is plenty.

All that said every man has a breaking point and I have declared here on ATS and elsewhere that should for some reason the US government renege on its promise to provide me and my family healthcare as agreed 24 years of risking my life in their stupid wars (doing so with vigor and enthusiasm) or for reasons of "austerity measures" decide to increase my payments significantly for this service or to cut or stop delivering my retirement pay (in the manner agreed) they will get the very guerilla warfare they trained me to wage.

I am maybe a little long in the tooth to HALO into D.C. and conduct a raid but I can still train organize and pretty much feed and equip a Platoon (+) with my personal assets. A retired SF Major can create some havoc in an area with a Platoon of G’s.

This is all contingent on my daughter having reached the age of majority so I have no dependents hanging on my cooperation.

What will I have to lose...

If it actually comes to not paying the service members - we will know the endgame is afoot and it is time to take to the hills. That is how they will control the Soldiers and Marines by making their families safety and feeding contingent upon some kind of handouts or vouchers in exchange for following the questionable orders that will surely follow.

Originally posted by Golf66

All that said every man has a breaking point and I have declared here on ATS and elsewhere that should for some reason the US government renege on its promise to provide me and my family healthcare as agreed 24 years of risking my life in their stupid wars (doing so with vigor and enthusiasm) or for reasons of "austerity measures" decide to increase my payments significantly for this service or to cut or stop delivering my retirement pay (in the manner agreed) they will get the very guerilla warfare they trained me to wage.



If it actually comes to not paying the service members - we will know the endgame is afoot and it is time to take to the hills. That is how they will control the Soldiers and Marines by making their families safety and feeding contingent upon some kind of handouts or vouchers in exchange for following the questionable orders that will surely follow.

You know Golf.. you're not the only one to mention something like this..

As far as going Halo.. one of the husbands buddies that spent Christmas with us mentioned this with the threats of the govt turning their backs..... and then got into the WHY's combat vets ( of which he and the husband both are) are on watchlists as potential terrorists.. for doing their job as commanded.

hmmmm..

The solution to this is let the government print money without borrowing it. In fact this is what all governments should be doing. Instead we let private banks control and expand the money supply. Cut off their ability to create leverage and this will not be inflationary in a growing nation. A growing nation needs more and more money each year. Otherwise you have more and more people fighting over the same amount of money which automatically decreases the standard of living for everyone. Create that money through debt which has the additional cost of interest and the process of standard of living deterioration increases its pace, which is what we are seeing now.

The problem is controlling the amount of new money printed. Tap it out at 3% a year and it could work without being inflationary.

This is the out of the box solution that we need that no one ever considers.

Originally posted by Advantage
As far as going Halo.. one of the husbands buddies that spent Christmas with us mentioned this with the threats of the govt turning their backs..... and then got into the WHY's combat vets ( of which he and the husband both are) are on watchlists as potential terrorists.. for doing their job as commanded.

hmmmm..

That is why I am not afraid to post my mind here. I know I am on a few dozen watch lists. I am not afraid; I know they haven't the ability or the resources or the desire to come hunt someone like me down. It takes like a 100:1 ratio to pull off a mission like that, intell, surveillance, advance work etc...

There are simply not enough people to do it.

It is also why I know this is all bluster for the plebs. The last group they want to piss off are the people who know how to fight back.

I do know there are those who think the military will not follow orders and confiscate weapons and round people up. I know that a good percentage will do just that for the reasons I stated.

By the time anything like this is to take place the economy will already have collapsed which will make the families of the military largely and effectively defacto hostages to their vouchers, rations and handouts which the general public will not be getting. This will be a huge motivator for the servicemen to comply with constitutionally questionable things. Jews readily rounded up other Jews in the ghettos for the Nazis and turned in their neighbors and such for food or promises of safety for their families.

Who really can blame them... I'd kill my neighbor right now if it meant my kid living and or eating another day and sleep tight knowing it. Wouldn't you?

The only thing that will make the servicemen defect or go AWOL is to protect/feed their own families. It is why the military basically encourages younger enlisted people to get married with monetary incentives - control.

They know that living paycheck to paycheck and having kids to feed makes one more likely to reenlist. They also know that one will be more compliant for fear of losing pay and benefits for the family.

An 18-19 year old kid is a wildcard he might obey and then if he hasn't much to lose he might head home to find and protect his sisters and mom; however, a 20 something with a wife and a kid who knows the military will make sure they are fed and safe as long as he complies with commands is a simple thing to predict.

Sadly the surest way for any insurgent group to entice servicemenbers to do the right thing is to compromise that safety and or surety of sustenance which leads me to believe our military families and government employees (who will be getting some kind of compensation in whatever becomes currency even if it’s an MRE) in general will be prime targets for such attacks.

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
The solution to this is let the government print money without borrowing it. In fact this is what all governments should be doing. Instead we let private banks control and expand the money supply. Cut off their ability to create leverage and this will not be inflationary in a growing nation. A growing nation needs more and more money each year. Otherwise you have more and more people fighting over the same amount of money which automatically decreases the standard of living for everyone. Create that money through debt which has the additional cost of interest and the process of standard of living deterioration increases its pace, which is what we are seeing now.

The problem is controlling the amount of new money printed. Tap it out at 3% a year and it could work without being inflationary.

This is the out of the box solution that we need that no one ever considers.

ahh yes many governments have tried this "solution" and those governments don't exist anymore.
the reason we borrow it, is so that it has some value.
not saying that are fed system is good or perfect. this is why we will forever be in debt.
but you cant just print money with nothing behind it.
unless you want to pay for a loaf of bread with a wheelbarrow full of benjamins.

Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by Advantage
As far as going Halo.. one of the husbands buddies that spent Christmas with us mentioned this with the threats of the govt turning their backs..... and then got into the WHY's combat vets ( of which he and the husband both are) are on watchlists as potential terrorists.. for doing their job as commanded.

hmmmm..

That is why I am not afraid to post my mind here. I know I am on a few dozen watch lists. I am not afraid; I know they haven't the ability or the resources or the desire to come hunt someone like me down. It takes like a 100:1 ratio to pull off a mission like that, intell, surveillance, advance work etc...

There are simply not enough people to do it.

It is also why I know this is all bluster for the plebs. The last group they want to piss off are the people who know how to fight back.

I do know there are those who think the military will not follow orders and confiscate weapons and round people up. I know that a good percentage will do just that for the reasons I stated.

By the time anything like this is to take place the economy will already have collapsed which will make the families of the military largely and effectively defacto hostages to their vouchers, rations and handouts which the general public will not be getting. This will be a huge motivator for the servicemen to comply with constitutionally questionable things. Jews readily rounded up other Jews in the ghettos for the Nazis and turned in their neighbors and such for food or promises of safety for their families.

Who really can blame them... I'd kill my neighbor right now if it meant my kid living and or eating another day and sleep tight knowing it. Wouldn't you?

The only thing that will make the servicemen defect or go AWOL is to protect/feed their own families. It is why the military basically encourages younger enlisted people to get married with monetary incentives - control.

They know that living paycheck to paycheck and having kids to feed makes one more likely to reenlist. They also know that one will be more compliant for fear of losing pay and benefits for the family.

An 18-19 year old kid is a wildcard he might obey and then if he hasn't much to lose he might head home to find and protect his sisters and mom; however, a 20 something with a wife and a kid who knows the military will make sure they are fed and safe as long as he complies with commands is a simple thing to predict.

Sadly the surest way for any insurgent group to entice servicemenbers to do the right thing is to compromise that safety and or surety of sustenance which leads me to believe our military families and government employees (who will be getting some kind of compensation in whatever becomes currency even if it’s an MRE) in general will be prime targets for such attacks.

Quoted for truth.
Absolutely. Ive said damned near the same on here.. among other things. No one believes though.. and refuse to listen to those who are older, been there, know the folks, and know the score. They want to maintain the hysterics.