German activists start campaign to destroy surveillance cameras

i think it's quite childish, and its also vandalism which the public will have to pay for.

cctv isnt made to spy on you,it helps to keep you safe and cut down crime.
i really don't get peoples opposition to surveilance cameras.

reply to post by Rikku


I don't get people's opposition to the government tapping telephones and spying on our internet connections. They're just keeping us safe from piracy and child pornography.

i don't care if the government is watching me walk home, listening to my phonecall's, or checking what what i look at online.
i dont care because i'm not a criminal and i'm not doing anything wrong.
if its an issue for you, maybe youre doing things you shouldn't be doing.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


I think surveillance cameras are evil and I support the 2nd amendment that citizens need guns to be protected from an oppressive government.

In relations to the cameras I wouldn't see much of a problem if all feeds were public domains and freely accessible without delays and the public could also add their own cameras to the network with the same freedoms that the authorities enjoy.

Originally posted by Rikku
i don't care if the government is watching me walk home, listening to my phonecall's, or checking what what i look at online.
i dont care because i'm not a criminal and i'm not doing anything wrong.
if its an issue for you, maybe youre doing things you shouldn't be doing.

You really think the government is some sort of kind, benevolent overlord who is just trying to look after us little "kids"?

They care not about us, only themselves. They do things which will benefit themselves even if it hurts us. They are our exploiters, our rulers, our masters.... our ENEMY.

Originally posted by cetaphobic
Would you mind posting your entire internet history, including whatever porn you may watch? How about telling us every single detail of your life in lurid detail?

No? That's an invasion of your privacy? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE?!

yes because we're all browsing porn out in the open in public. When in public you have no expectation of privacy.

Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by cetaphobic
Would you mind posting your entire internet history, including whatever porn you may watch? How about telling us every single detail of your life in lurid detail?

No? That's an invasion of your privacy? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE?!

yes because we're all browsing porn out in the open in public. When in public you have no expectation of privacy.

edit on 14/1/2013 by PsykoOps because: (no reason given)

Ok smartass then go follow someone around all day long and see if you don't get arrested, or at the very least detained and questioned for stalking. Same principal. Just when the government does it people like to call it something else and turn the other cheek.

And how is stalking at all relevant to the topic? News flash for you, it's not just governments right, it's everyones right. Most people who have businesses have security cameras. Lots of people have them at their homes too.

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Well the camera systems that can follow you all over town, yes I would consider that stalking, the business that has a camera mounted in a public place doesn't track you all around town now does it? Different scenario is it not?

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i dont care because i'm not a criminal and i'm not doing anything wrong.

...yet...laws change.
the jews werent doing anything illegal either...until it became illegal to be a jew.

of course, by then, it was too late because of people who think like you do.

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Its a matter of perception, the cameras are as dumb as those that operate them. Consider for instance what you see in movies that the xpto organization can pull up all camera streams at they own will (something that is perfectly technologically possible) now add to that the face recognition programs etc and you do have a stalker capability.

I think that cameras in public places are no by themselves an issue, but the expectation that those with access to the data will act "always" in the interest of all individuals (not as a mass). See my other post about shared access to the data and opportunity to decide the placing of cameras.

Originally posted by Rikku
i don't care if the government is watching me walk home, listening to my phonecall's, or checking what what i look at online.
i dont care because i'm not a criminal and i'm not doing anything wrong.
if its an issue for you, maybe youre doing things you shouldn't be doing.

This sir is where you are wrong. You are doing something wrong at all times.

- If you are standing on a street corner staring at the sunset - YOU ARE LOITERING!
- If you go one mile over the posted speed limit regardless of the reason - YOU ARE SPEEDING!
- If you step onto the sidewalk in front of your home with an open beer - YOU ARE BREAKING THE OPEN CONTAINER LAW!
- If you step outside of the crosswalk painted lines in an intersection - YOU ARE JAYWALKING!

Do you see??? Do you get it?? You are ALWAYS breaking the law. That's how it it these days - its a revenue generator for most states and they will not give it up. And guess what . . . .They can see all of this activity on camera so you stand zero chance of saying it was an accident.

Its UNFAIR - its OPPRESSIVE and ITS NOT ACCIDENTAL. I will not attack you personally as you are entitled to your opinion. However, please check your local towns laws and ordinances and tell me if believe its possible for you to live one single day where you do not break the law. And remember - Intentional or not intentional, a broken law is just that and you can be punished for it.

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Originally posted by Rikku
i don't care if the government is watching me walk home, listening to my phonecall's, or checking what what i look at online.
i dont care because i'm not a criminal and i'm not doing anything wrong.
if its an issue for you, maybe youre doing things you shouldn't be doing.

We have cultivated slaves. I am speechless. You really do not get it and you need to actually read history not just to see the abuse by government but also how the views on the state and individuals have changed through out history and reasons for the changes. You are a living example of twits that allow governments to go on a rampage.


It has nothing to do whether you are doing any right or wrong. The point is that the government says you are not trust worthy and you need to be watched. That is an insult to anyone who is an honest person. Guilty until proven innocent and you never prove your innocence by being watched 24/7. As they watch you they can make you guilty of anything they want as pointed out by another poster.

How about one day you scream at your mate or your kids simply because you are having a bad day... then your local police man shows up because you showed signs that could escalate to domestic violence.

or maybe you forgot to feed your dog or cat one day because you got home so late..... you get slapped with animal cruelty. OH OH your dog took a dump when you werent' watching you get fined.

If you think that cannot happen then explain to me why a little toddler was fined for urinating in public. That is what happens when you have the government watching... toddlers get fined.

Originally posted by Rikku
i don't care if the government is watching me walk home, listening to my phonecall's, or checking what what i look at online.
i dont care because i'm not a criminal and i'm not doing anything wrong.
if its an issue for you, maybe youre doing things you shouldn't be doing.

This kind of conformist attitude is dangerous and already lead us into the abyss in our past.

You might not know this, but Germany already had total surveillance / police states twice in her history.
Didn't end so well...

Originally posted by PsykoOps
I bet the next person who gets raped or mugged will appreciate this after the assailant(s) get away scott free because police can't track them. What a bunch of idiots.

People have been getting raped/mugged/murdered/etc. before the invention of cameras. I understand what you are implying, however.. with freedom comes other things, not all of which are good. We can't give away our freedoms and rights by allowing them full reign over us, there-by giving away all of our privacy [for principle sake alone our privacy is well deserved] . We really need to be better people and look out for each other, rather than have big brother looking out for us-because honestly, he does not care about our best interests which are at stake here.

For those of you who are saying that the don't care about their privacy [because they are doing nothing wrong], that isn't the point.

I live my life clean & good, and try to be kind & helpful to others-even strangers and beggars, but I have the right to privacy if for principles sake alone.

I worry about the mindset of those who don't care about their privacy being violated, or just don't seem to care about much of anything... until it affects them or a loved one directly.

Originally posted by Rikku
i don't care if the government is watching me walk home, listening to my phonecall's, or checking what what i look at online.
i dont care because i'm not a criminal and i'm not doing anything wrong.
if its an issue for you, maybe youre doing things you shouldn't be doing.

Alright fair enough [your opinion]...... but I wonder then if we can put cameras on out Gov't [at all branches], after all.. they are in our employ so we should have the right to keep an 'eye' on them at all times and in all places.

Fair is fair

Originally posted by Briles1207
Great Idea, until they are attacked and there is no evidence because they have trashed all the cameras.

Security cameras are there to protect us.

If you have nothing to hide, why are you worried who is watching?

If you aren't carrying illegal drugs in your rectum, why do you object to a full body cavity search?

The "government" is not necessarily the benevolent entity you seem to think it is. Surveillance cameras will not protect you from being assaulted, raped, or murdered. The cameras will only give the watchers a nice video clip of your assault, rape, or murder and maybe a little but not much help in apprehending the assailants.

this idiotic "im not doing anything wrong so why should i care" attitude really pisses me off

theres nothing more dangerous then to think like that.