Insurrection and the Southern Border.

One element of successful insurgencies is foreign support. Most insurgencies would never succeed without (and sometimes even with) money, comfort and arms from abroad. The US was sustained by imperial France throughout the American Revolution. The Vietnamese got major support from Russia and China. Mujahideen got support from the USA. Of course, the insurgents in Iraq were getting help from Iran, but it didn't save them as long as the US was in-country.

So... in the event of a rebellion in the US...

There's a 2000-mile border with Mexico, with no natural boundaries and through badlands that are difficult to police. In addition, the narco-trafficos would be happy to finance a revolution using drugs as the medium of exchange for heavy military supplies.

It happened in the Opium War, it happened in Vietnam, it has happened in Afghanistan: foreign support and drug trafficking finances the insurgency

Something to think about.

Originally posted by k1k1to

Originally posted by wulff
To K1K1

Sir, I think you are the one that in your liberal thinking has been brainwashed by the media 'hook line and sinker'!
You have a very low opinion of our warriors in uniform!
You can sit out the coming (possible) war in "Peace" along with your friends in your hippie communes while others (defenders of the constitution) protect your a$$.
Sorry but I really don't believe you when you say you have a lot of friends that is in the military,

edit on 16-1-2013 by wulff because: (no reason given)

haha oh friend, i am far from a peace loving hippie.

i think you might have misinterpreted my posts..you underestimate me...i like that, maybe that gives me an advantage in a SHTF situation...but thats another story...

i am far from a tree hugging "peace pipe" hippie...in my opinion i think the media and people in general romanticize and gives them more credit than they deserve to the people in uniform... i dont want to give any information that will compromise me, but i have worked very closely with both military and police men and women, and i will tell you that they are some of the most corrupt people in society. and i stand by that statement

if the time to TRULY defend or get back our freedom comes...i will be at the front lines

but dont be surprised if you get your door kicked down one night and it turns out that it is a fellow "man in uniform" doing it.

I stand corrected and see where you are coming from now, I just think that if we are indeed heading for a 2nd civil war there will be a lot of uniforms that will be on 'our' side, I am aware that in any war there are people in uniform that has more respect for the man in office than the country (Hitler's SS is a good example) and that makes me think of a statement Obama said during his 2008 campaign where he talked about a "special group that will be better equipped than the military!" why did this not get any attention? What exactly was he saying? It sounded so much like Hitler saying he couldn't trust the regular Army so he needed the SS as a group of 'bodyguards' that only had allegiance to him!

I read through several pages and signed up for an account. I have a question and am unsure if it has been answered in replies past page 5. Replies have been made that the Gov would send "spies" into "rebel" encampments but I have not read about the likelihood of Rebel spies/cells in the cities acting much like the terrorists that plagued Britain during its many years fight against the IRA. It doesn't take large scale assaults to break the morale of people. Small attacks against targets in rather comfortable places will make everyone uneasy. Perhaps the continuing atrocities of starving and executions and the destruction of what is at the heart of all Humans the family structure. From this you may get your McVeigh or Collins that some may act on their own accord others maybe more capable of getting unity to fight the same enemy. Similar to how we assisted the Afghan fighters battle Russia. In history a disorganized allies have proven to take a well armed and trained military if not defeat inflict mass causalities to weaken the stronger opponent. This can be applied to both sides, If the UN intervene and sides up with the Fractured US Government. While place like Iran and groups like Al Qaeda may fight the the UN countries that have sent soldiers if not directly attack government installations in mainland USA. I have thought of this in the past and in the end it may go either way has posted earlier it is a scenario of attrition for both sides. One side is reliant on technology the other side is reliant on perseverance and the general guile of those who make their ranks. Skill is one attribute both sides will have. How ever we have a military that is battle hardened after 11 years of conflict in the middle east. I do hope this fails to come but it does happen I have already planned what I will do to ensure safety of friends, family, and neighbors. I apologize for a long scrambled reply it is very late for me and I am tired.

Originally posted by sensible1
Are you sou POWERFUL that you can Tell THE REST OF AMERICA that WE HAVE TO GO YOUR WAY OR YOU WILL KILL US IN WAR???

Only when you try to enslave us first. Probably better to just stop trying to do that. Otherwise, if "your" section of America persists, you should expect a backlash.

I'm not going to dignify the charges of "racism" or the partisan rant with a response. They are too obviously a delusion. Please, seek help.

Originally posted by nenothtu
"Racism" is a charge Obamites lay at your feet when they have nothing logical or substantial to bring to the table. They use it as a weapon to try to shut you up, hoping to "shame" one into submission.

Dude.
I dont think I have ever agree with you on anything, But I respect your point of view, as well Spoken and Researched.

Are you really going to own your above Quote, as something you believe?

Any civil war in America will be catalysed from within the Armed forces,and it will be swift and decisive and over within hours in a co-ordinated change of structure.

There can be no other dynamic possible considering todays military strength and structure combined with realtime communication globally,no one can ever get the drop on anyone.

In this day and age a civil war like the olde days isnt possible because people can hear the truth of their neighbors and countrymen online in realtime and they cannot be manipulated as in the past.If Obama trys to enact a presidential technicality and most Americans disagree and choose to disobey then Obama will be forced to back down with no fight in him.With todays social media and real time information exchange globally the liklyhood is that American military people globally would put down theri weapons and walk away from them and simply go home and load up their own weapons in preperation for the New America.Seriously I think this scenario would play out.Very little bloodshed and a resulting massive armed force of Americans with a united cause.america cant nuke itself,ha ha ha.

In order to defy the peoples wishes you need their unknowing support,but in todays information age it just wont happen.Modern governments all have recently learned this.

All you need to do is go online and see what all your friends are doing at that exact moment and coordinate yourselves enmasse.and your government is changed by people laying down their guns and going home not by shooting guns at each other. Americans are more armed than ever and also smarter and more connected than ever,so no worries there wont ever be a civil war but there could be a newage change in government peacefully ,unless you happen to be somone dumb enough to not see this dynamic and you try to force Americans to bend to your wil,ha ha ha.

America wants a leader who will listen to them and they are sick of their president enacting technicalitys of law to usurp their rights as they collectively interpret them,and really who could disagree with the people??It isnt as if they dont have a consensus,cyberspace has replaced the ballot system of voting,social media is a more accurate barometer of the future than the news because its the PEOPLE speaking for and by the PEOPLE,so there are no lies.As I said any government stupid enough to pull the types of things Obama and his guys are pulling is looking to be usurped themselves by a social media blitzkreig that cripples them federally and militarily with lightening speed when people simply stop what they are doing and go home to wait for the polling booths to be set up so they can vote for their new Government.

If you want to prevent a civil war in America you will need to regalvanise the people ,to get ALL their attention ,traditionally government has used war to do this,today that wont work so they need to openly and publicly solve the JFK murder and replace the false government that was installed by coup de tat back then,Obama has a chance at reelection if he spearheads this movment if he doesnt who knows what the peope will do.

I think this is the ONLY thing that will prevent a change of government by non-traditional means in America--the internet has given names and numbers of those people involved in corrupting a once great nation and the children of its founders are and have been seeking justice in a futile effort for generations,I have a feeling the worm is turning and justice is within reach for America after a long and decietful time in the countrys history.Honestly l am born of the 60s and Americas neighbor and even I have spent me lifetime shocked and angry at what was done in Dallas,my ENRITE life i have felt this way and I am not even American,you see you TRUE Americans out there you need to understand that your country has ALWAYS had a sphere of influence that has been bigger than you have known,your rights are bigger than real life but so are your wrongs,Kennedy must be given justice and NO ONE in the world will accept National Security reasons for his public execution no matter how deep the false evidence is.LBJ and his cabal will all be brought to justice,their legacys defiled and their present day assets and the fiscal assets of ALL of their co-horts domsticlly and abroad will be seized and frozen ,this will be possibly hundreds of billions of dollars seized and reclaimed by a rightful government and people.America could rip herself out of a recession by simply freezing and reclaiming the many many billions of dollars siphoned out of her ,and it can be done overnight and with the muilitary might of the greates nation on the planet.Bye bye Rosthchilds and every other family that can be connected vid data to this murder for profit,believe me by now the assets and interest are in the hundreds of billions collectively globally.I am sure these criminals built some of the biggest businesses on the planet after that murder for profit.,now all of that power and influence can be returned to its rightful owners,the American people.

For generations these people who committed a coup de tat have hidden by redirecting Americas pain and passion at conflicts all over the world,kept the smartest people on the planet dumbed down,now the people are beginning to look inwards for solutions to their countrys problems,to the place close to home where all of the evil was spawned and nurtured.America has a chance to STOP the decay that decimated the Roman empire from within and threatened to destroy the British Empire before they speperated into well camoflaged and managed colonys,all over the world.The same enemies of these great empires murdered an American President and got away with it until today and the information age came along to crucify them with the data they had been able to keep hidden.These enemies are MEN OF INDUSTRY,powered by money,money STOLEN from the American people.We KNOW who to target now and all of the data is available and all the money and power in the world will never remove the ability to forensicly track and trace every dime of the money and power,even destroying the records in the Twin Towers was not enough,every bit of data is still online somewhere and available somewhere,and it aint going away.The Peoples Court of global cyberspace will have its day sooner than later or America will fall as Rome did destroyed from within by men and women who craved power and money more than their National Identity---I say rock and roll and bust this one open ASAP and save a country that could either be in its death throes already or could simply be waiting to be reborn stronger than ever through the pursuit of justice and fairplay,the founding principals of its beginnings....