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Originally posted by Cuervo
You just described virtually every single gun owner I've met.
Maybe we should put all the resistance fighters and TSA agents in boxing rings to fight obesity and defend the constitution.
Originally posted by superman2012
I'm going to copy and paste one of my arguments from the thread where this got started.
Your same arguments for the government not being able to farm (as if they need to with the amount of foreign aid they will receive from their allies, yes that's right, you will be labelled terrorists and the US allies will help the government) can also be used against you.
Assuming you make it out of a city to be a countryside farming Rambo, you will need round the clock surveillance and weapons to stop Uncle Sam from taking what they want.
Notwithstanding the cameras hundreds of miles straight up that are and can watch you. Think heat signatures.
How are you going to farm without the necessary equipment? Even if you get the equipment how are you going to keep it running? How much gas/diesel do you really have stored? Do you think you can run down to the local gas station? How are you going to handle a drought? Pesticides? Herbicides? Feed for cattle? Feed for poultry? How are you going to communicate with others when the government takes over all bands on the radio and monitors all frequencies? What happens in the winter? Are you just going to settle where you can live all year round in comfort? You think they don't realize humans freeze in the winter? What about medical emergencies? Diabetes? You have a source of insulin? Can you keep it refrigerated? How many people are going to die in your group within 3 months due to lack of available meds? How are you going to deal with difficult pregnancies? If you are lucky enough to have a physician/EMT/nurse in your group, what happens when they need tools for surgery? What happens if they haven't performed the surgery? What happens if they get wounded/killed? Do you give up then?
When your children are starving in the woods, slowly freezing to death because you think you had things all figured out typing away on your keyboard, remember the people that submitted and are spending time with their families. You may have held to your principles, but, if no one is alive in your group to enjoy it, what did you accomplish?
ps- they will never question what they are fighting for as long as their family is safe, if it were possible I would suggest talking to a Jewish Ghetto Policeman.
Originally posted by jcarpenter
Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
I'm sorry. I just don't believe our military will stand behind us. No offense to those here who serve and say they won't, but if we ever got to that point in the OP's scenario, I simply do not trust that our military will not follow the orders they are given.
A few years back, there was a police raid in Georgia where the people in the target residence were handcuffed and had hoods put over their heads. Now .... who do you reckon' was on that "team"?
This is what our troops have been brainwashed to do. It would be my guess that most of them will follow orders and most will do everything here that they have been doing overseas. House raids, disappearances, secret prisons, torture ..... and murder. The murders in prison were particularly brutal according to autopsies performed by US military doctors.
Originally posted by wulff
Sir, I think you are the one that in your liberal thinking has been brainwashed by the media 'hook line and sinker'!
You have a very low opinion of our warriors in uniform!
You can sit out the coming (possible) war in "Peace" along with your friends in your hippie communes while others (defenders of the constitution) protect your a$$.
Sorry but I really don't believe you when you say you have a lot of friends that is in the military,
edit on 16-1-2013 by wulff because: (no reason given)
A resistance is not going to be armed with serious US military hardware. Given years of fighting, and the complete collapse of the government some tanks and other armored vehicles I could understand. There is a large abundance hanging around various parts of the US. As far as Aircraft, I seriously doubt it. Naval vessels will turn into what's left of the government office, and even if they were captured, given this is a US Civil war, you can't exactly bring a frigate into central US. Why waste the time, man power and valuable resources after the collapse to capture something outside of the lands you're fighting for.
Resistance fighter in a hospital, they will strike it, school they will strike it, extremely valuable wheat field they will strike it. They really don't care, they have stocks for those they deem important. Having the general public and the resistance suffer, puts pressure on the resistance as long as the government can keep the focus on them.
Originally posted by JerkyBeer
reply to post by cosmicexplorer
If you're a "big old fatty", change that sh#t brother!!! Only you is stopping you!!! To stay in this hypothetical
Fight, you have to bee able to get there. Only you have the answers. You weren't always a
"fatty" and it is not funny. You can change that! F LOL. Not funny!!!! Fix it. Email me or p2p,
This is your only life. And it is serious!!!! I'm a personal trainer, an army ranger, and haves taken
Dietician course s. I WILL HELP YOU GET INTHE GAME BROTHER.
Originally posted by Hijinx
I seriously doubt a civil war is around the corner. I can not say it is impossible, but I do doubt the fact that it would happen so soon after an executive order were placed.
IF, (I say this cautiously,) a civil war broke out in the US you will see small groups of resistance fighters using guerrilla tactics against a superior fighting force, exactly as we see in the middle east. Attempting to over throw the military in an effort to secure the nation on their terms is absolutely foolish. They are vastly superior in equipment and training when compared to the average resistance fighter.
Food, would ultimately become an issue, and I can't say the government would give two #s what they destroy in rooting out the resistance. Ultimately the blame will be laid on the Terrorists(resistance). We saw this in the most recent of Gaza attacks. The government will put out warnings, do not associate with terrorist, be around terrorists, blah blah blah.
Resistance fighter in a hospital, they will strike it, school they will strike it, extremely valuable wheat field they will strike it. They really don't care, they have stocks for those they deem important. Having the general public and the resistance suffer, puts pressure on the resistance as long as the government can keep the focus on them. Not to mention, if the government labels the destruction of a crop as an attempt by the resistance to damage the masses, the people trying to stay out of it will look poorly towards said resistance. It's incredibly hard to win a civil war with out the support of the nation.
Originally posted by PKDragon
Anyways, is anyone actually taking into account JSOC? They are in command of most spec ops battalions. Look into them a bit.
The Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) is a subunified command of the US Special Operations Command (USSOCOM). It is charged to study special operations requirements and techniques, ensure interoperability and equipment standardization, plan and conduct special operations exercises and training, and develop joint special operations tactics.
Although JSOC's stated purpose is to provide a unified command structure for conducting joint special operations and exercises, it is widely reported that JSOC is actually the command responsible for conducting US counter-terrorism operations. JSOC is reported to command the US military's Special Missions Units (SMUs). These SMUs are tasked with conducting counter-terrorism operations, strike operations, reconnaissance in denied areas, and special intelligence missions.