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Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by SplitInfinity
Are you not aware that China pretty much owns the US? Even if that was false, China has something that the US will never have: millions upon millions of compliant possible-conscriptees that will pretty much do whatever they're told out of fear. What they lack in technology (and not by much, mind you), they absolutely make up for in sheer numbers. Just look at the Vietcong in the Vietnam war. No matter how many the US killed, there would always be 5 more to replace every single KIA. Couple that with a world-class special operations outfit which nobody seems to be talking about (kinda reminds me of JTF-2 ) and you have a recipe for disaster for the US. If war did break out between the only two remaining superpowers than the bankers would decide the victor anyways and it is pretty clear that a collapse of the US has been in the works for 200 years now, it doesn't seem unlikely that the States would not prevail in such a war, and neither would anyone else, given the likelihood that they may use nukes when no other option is available to them (just look at Hiroshima. That one wasn't even really justified, but they played it up like there was no other option), causing retaliation and full on holocaust-proportion casualties. (no fear-mongering intended here, just theorising out loud I guess you could call it)
Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by rockymcgilicutty
I said "pretty much." Enough that if they decided to call in their debts, the States would be severely hindered in it's ability to continually fund it's warfighting capacity, which is already pretty much running aground due to their attempt to police the world and spread themselves way too thin. Maybe if they pulled out of Iraq and the Stan tomorrow they would have better odds, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Kashai
China is beyond outclassed militarily in this region by the U.S. Navy. Add to this the ability of the USAF to strike anytime anywhere and it makes China appear to be just Bitching about Energy.
China is well aware that should it take any military action agaist Japan the U.S. is obligated to defend Japan. China is also aware that it could not even come close to winning such a battle.
It makes one wonder just exactly what they are up to.
Split Infinity
Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by rockymcgilicutty
Hate to break it to ya, but US forces are still in Iraq, regardless of whether or not the media is still covering it. I take my information from people who actually go there (ie.Chris Hedges, Robert Fisk, etc.) over any of those news agencies any day of the week. Also, the number of US Forces in Afghanistan as well as Iraq have been butressed by an extensive redeployment of Academi (formerly Blackwater), who are paid with US tax-payer dollars that were intended to be put towards the military, and they cost alot more to operate. I am not here expecting you to change your opinion on the issue as I am fully aware that that does not happen here. Those that come to ATS with a certain opinion also leave with that same opinion and I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I've seen anyone admit that they were wrong, so feel free to grasp your red white and blue security blanket until it turns to ash. I really could care less whether or not you realize it, but Rome is burning yet again, except this time it seems most people can't see the flames. Good luck. You're gonna need it.
Originally posted by HenryNorris
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
50 years is nothing to China.
China owned them long before that. They are the traditional owners.
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Originally posted by Nettlas
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Originally posted by Nettlas
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by Kashai
China is beyond outclassed militarily in this region by the U.S. Navy. Add to this the ability of the USAF to strike anytime anywhere and it makes China appear to be just Bitching about Energy.
China is well aware that should it take any military action agaist Japan the U.S. is obligated to defend Japan. China is also aware that it could not even come close to winning such a battle.
It makes one wonder just exactly what they are up to.
Split Infinity
China is not exactly outclassed military wise. The chines womens army has more soldiers enlisted than the entire US population, and that is only their womens army.
edit on 14-1-2013 by Nettlas because: (no reason given)
Outnumbered and outclassed are two different things. What exactly will those huge numbers of women soldiers do against US forces? Are they going to grow wings and fly into the air and catch missiles? Shoot laser beams out of their eyes to attack our Navy?
umm, no. I think airplanes will do, growing wings will take to long. And lasers I don´t think will do either, I think more like missiles, ordinary missiles, not laser missiles either. The fact is, the US has been going around the world showing their army´s strenght now for about 70-80 years or so almost non-stop. we have a pretty clear picture of what the US army is capable of. But China hasn´t done that, we have no idea what they have in store for the world if a global conflict would errupt. We wouldn´t know if they outclassed the US for example in tech. Just think of it ok, we don´t know. It is still a verry closed country and they could very well have developed tech that surpass the US and also in number of airplanes, ships etc etc. Numbers in manpower they already have, so why wouldn´t they also have outnumbered the US in airplanes, ships, subs etc. Just because you say no it doesn´t make it a fact. And what I say is not a fact either, but it is a possibility. Don´t say stuff for a fact when you can´t possibly be knowing it for a fact.
So the large women army is going to be flying planes? Interesting. I guess that makes their larger force useless, since they do not have as many aircraft, nor do they have aircraft as advanced. What airplanes are these women piloting and can you cite me a source saying they are equal to or superior than US planes?
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Originally posted by Taikun
Another Gulf of Tonkin incident waiting to occur? I will not rule out a false flag from the Chinese this time around, for a full scale military grab for the islands. U.S. will join Japan, where Russia will back China. A world war in the making.
China would not start a war any time soon. My belief is that they are trying to intimidate the other Pacific nations. The US would back Japan with the full might of our military, and China would be in ruins within weeks. Russia would never back China, and if they did they too would be annihilated, it would take most likely a few months for both nations to surrender, with almost no US casualties. Both countries combined could not dent the US Navy, they would be blockaded, bombed, and become withering hulks. They would be forced to repay huge reparations, and would be a huge coup for the US and the US economy.
Never happen.
Originally posted by Trajan
Remember those 12,000+ estimated nuclear warheads that Russia have? Do you think Russia isn't going to use them if they are invaded?
Russia has a couple nuclear submarines, one of which spent two weeks in the waters around Florida without the U.S. noticing. That submarine carried 10 ICBMs which release 8 nuclear warheads per missile.
If Russia had ordered it to fire, the U.S. would be a smoking ruin now.
Originally posted by Raelsatu
Originally posted by Trajan
Remember those 12,000+ estimated nuclear warheads that Russia have? Do you think Russia isn't going to use them if they are invaded?
Russia has a couple nuclear submarines, one of which spent two weeks in the waters around Florida without the U.S. noticing. That submarine carried 10 ICBMs which release 8 nuclear warheads per missile.
You think Russia is going to use a portion of the nukes in their arsenal?? Mutually assured destruction man. A nuclear war is out of the question as far as I'm concerned. Why should it even be on the table that there's weaponry which not only wipes out cities, but completely irradiates the earth and atmosphere, making regions uninhabitable for decades to thousands of years??? To start a nuclear war you'd have to literally be completely insane.
Unfortunately.... there are insane people and psychopaths in power who would love nothing more than to destroy our planet.
If Russia had ordered it to fire, the U.S. would be a smoking ruin now.
Smoking ruin... and an irradiated one that nobody else could inhabit. Say goodbye to all the natural resources, wildlife, beautiful landscapes, & everything else that makes the earth worth living on.
In a new study of the potential global impacts of nuclear blasts, an American team found even a small-scale war would quickly devastate the world's climate and ecosystems, causing damage that would last for more than a decade.
Speaking at the American Geophysical Union's meeting in San Francisco yesterday, Richard Turco of UCLA said detonating between 50 and 100 bombs - just 0.03% of the world's arsenal - would throw enough soot into the atmosphere to create climactic anomalies unprecedented in human history.
He said the effects would be "much greater than what we're talking about with global warming and anything that's happened in history with regards volcanic eruptions".
According to the research, tens of millions of people would die, global temperatures would crash and most of the world would be unable to grow crops for more than five years after a conflict.
In addition, the ozone layer, which protects the surface of the Earth from harmful ultraviolet radiation, would be depleted by 40% over many inhabited areas and up to 70% at the poles.
Originally posted by Raelsatu
reply to post by Backfire
A myth?? Millions you say?...
In a new study of the potential global impacts of nuclear blasts, an American team found even a small-scale war would quickly devastate the world's climate and ecosystems, causing damage that would last for more than a decade.
Speaking at the American Geophysical Union's meeting in San Francisco yesterday, Richard Turco of UCLA said detonating between 50 and 100 bombs - just 0.03% of the world's arsenal - would throw enough soot into the atmosphere to create climactic anomalies unprecedented in human history.
He said the effects would be "much greater than what we're talking about with global warming and anything that's happened in history with regards volcanic eruptions".
According to the research, tens of millions of people would die, global temperatures would crash and most of the world would be unable to grow crops for more than five years after a conflict.
In addition, the ozone layer, which protects the surface of the Earth from harmful ultraviolet radiation, would be depleted by 40% over many inhabited areas and up to 70% at the poles.
So to say that 5000 nukes detonated would only affect the region of explosion is nonsense.