China Newspaper Says.....

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
I think truly mature minds pondering over world events at this juncture in light of the fall of Western economies would be understanding of that very obvious concept and get past the pettiness of the "BUT IT'S JAPANS NOW... THEY STOLE IT FAIR A SQUARE!!" stunted mindset.

No mature mind says that. Mature minds say China stated the islands belonged to Japan for 70 years. Then, resources were found, and China immediately did a 180 and said they were Chinese. I will be happy to show MANY examples of China saying the islands were Japanese until 1969.

What?

That's what most of the fear mongers in this thread are trying to get at... global war!

We all know who the target is because of the rising Yuan and the age old trade struggle between east and west. Mature minds WILL consider that China has a legitimate concern due to a geographical security threat. I'm not asking you to agree with China. You don't comprehend. I'm telling you that you should consider how China might feel in light of this global conspiracy that this very threat is holding a pep rally for. Look at yourself war mongering against china over something like this when you, as a US supporter, should be looking in the mirror as you throw fuel on that global war talk fire.

You are TRYING to give other nations a reason to be paranoid with your western egotism but hold NO compassion for them feeling that there could be a threat to their geographic security in these times when many people fear oncoming WW3.

Look at a damn map!

I don't blame them one bit for wanting that island back right now.

You want them to calm down? STOP TALKING GLOBAL WAR AND TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF CHINA ON A WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY SITE.

Yeah... MATURE MINDS try to have a bit of intuition and insight concerning the sterile and often ineffective diplomatic foreign talks. While they get nothing done and very little said behind their cold podiums, the world has already laid out the blueprint for WW3 with American mouths talking about how "destroyed" China will be when the US gets done with them.

Use your head!

Your OTHER head.

Ahem... Does anyone in here understand that many believe that current scandals that have happened in china's leadership are thought to be fueled by British Intelligence and that Chinese leaders may be targets for assassination?

All I'm saying is consider the very conspiracy that this thread is barking up... and think how you would feel if you were China and that Islands had been taken by an invader and then given to what some consider a new nation very much backed by Western interest and our own military personnel, instead of back to mainland China just a couple of decades before we sent soldiers into another Asian country to defeat communist after the french failed to take hold in their colonization efforts.

Meanwhile, this Island dispute started cranking up when Clinton was touring Asia as a democracy cheerleader at the insult of communist leaders while having the gall to tell China to calm down over this Island dispute.

The whole thing stinks.

Japan did NOT hold those Islands for 70 years.

From 45 to 72 they were held by the US after defeating Japan as part of the RyuKyu Islands, but instead of giving them back to China, they turned around and gave them back to Japan who held them only 50 years WRONGLY... and why? Because we had Japans full surrender and they became somewhat puppetized by us and there is a good chance that all along these Islands were viewed as some sort of a chess piece in a very elaborate territory game.

Although seemingly insignificant, they are much closer to China and the ROC than they are Japan.

Nobody even lives there... the whole thing stinks and I'd be paranoid about them as well with everything that is happening right now.

I think Chinas point is, that Asian or not... if WW3 gets started, China will fight Japan and Japan needs to think about that if they AND South Korea AND Thailand AND the Phillipines... and everywhere else we have stuck our foot in the door in Asia gets used as a US battlefield... ASIANS WILL BE fighting ASIANS in ASIA.

Terrible!

The warning is due. China warned it's military to prepare for regional war. Regardless of how we have puppetized Asian countries, the people will not 100% follow suit.

ALL of those countries need to take a good long look at who's side they are on... Why?

Because China made the announcement.... and it likely means THEY KNOW SOMETHING.

And that something probably involved US.

This is a psychological move, and probably for a good reason.

China start global war via Japan? Come on! Who has hurt Japan the MOST?

Think about that!

Japan will decide now... Or Japan will decide later whose side the Japanese people are really on.

I think China wants them to make it easy on themselves and decide now.

That is my final point.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


What do fear mongerers have to do with mature minds? China has been asserting their claim since 1970 after resources were found. This has nothing to do with security concerns. It has to do with them trying to take control of all resources in the area. This is not an isolated incident.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
From 45 to 72 they were held by the US after defeating Japan as part of the RyuKyu Islands, but instead of giving them back to China, they turned around and gave them back to Japan who held them only 50 years WRONGLY... and why? Because we had Japans full surrender and they became somewhat puppetized by us and there is a good chance that all along these Islands were viewed as some sort of a chess piece in a very elaborate territory game.

Completely false. They were ADMINISTERED by the US. They were still Japanese. They were rightfully given back to the Japanese government to administer at the end. If what you state is true, and we wanted our "puppet" to have more land, we wouldn't have returned anything. Certainly not lands that Japan owned prior to WWII. Your argument has no merit once the facts are analyzed.

Here is evidence relating to the islands ownership. This is evidence coming directly from CHINA. Not Japan or the US.

In the 1920's, Chinese Consul Feng Mien wrote a letter which the Japanese have on display that list the Senkaku islands as being part of the Empire of Japan.

1953, The People's Daily (communist part controlled paper so it's official) states the islands are Japanese.

In 1965, The Grand Atlas of the World Vol. 1 (Chinese) lists the Senkaku islands as being Japanese.

In 1969 the official PRC map lists Senkaku as being Japanese.
www.washingtontimes.com...

Recently Lee Teng-hui, the former President of Republic of China stated the Senkaku islands were Japanese (which is what his whole generation grew up believing).

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


You are out of your mind if you think a force of Russia and China would just roll over that easily. No US casualties? Yeah right. I am not saying the US wouldn't win (if the world didn't end that is), but there would be HUGE losses.
We would be in trouble if we had to fight Iran and NK at once.

The China has too much invested in the US to fight us though, I think. Believe that China has been working on military technology just as much as the US has in secret.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


We have a much stronger navy, but I wouldn't doubt for a second that Russia and China combined could take out alot of our navy with missiles.

Originally posted by Kashai

All things considered China is threating global war, in relation to trying to control these islands. Again the cause of war is a matter of recourses.

So why is China threatening global war? They are disputed islands between Japan, China and have nothing to do with the USA.

This could very well explain why the United States has begun moving its naval recourses into the pacific The current real threat to world peace is China.

Come on.. Your saying the USA can and does move planes all over the world whilst offloading bombs in countries yet China fly one plane and they are a threat to the world?

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

What do fear mongerers have to do with mature minds? China has been asserting their claim since 1970 after resources were found. This has nothing to do with security concerns. It has to do with them trying to take control of all resources in the area. This is n

I have already fully explained this. If you pay attention to everything that has happened you'll see a much bigger picture. The Islands cover 7 square miles of land. Resources are mentioned in talks and I think it's because the real truth cannot surface due to the conspiratorial non diplomatic tone of the WW3 conspiracy argument that even THIS thread is supporting. I do not believe it is a resource issue at all. No one can dare bring up the real issue without western economist claiming that the truth is talk of war with the US by China who is currently moving it's hand against certain western military stunts... and that would make it an excuse to retaliate those talks, but everyone is thinking the same thing. A western/eastern war regardless of who they think is right. THAT is what war mongERS have to do with it. In the real world of politics, those kinds of talks are fragile. What you need to do is read China/US foreign policy news and THEN ask yourself what the hell is going on because it's MUCH MUCH more than an Island dispute.

Again, Western economies will fall to eastern economies.
All Asians nations need to make a choice of who's side they are really on, because the west *IS* dumb enough to hatch this plot, I'm afraid.

Japan can decide now... Or Japan can decide after it starts IF it starts. It is no coincidence that we have our foot in Japan AND South Korea, while swearing up and down that North Korea threatens us with one of Russia's main ports at Vladivostok RIGHT in between them.

This has all been elaborately orchestrated.

The west wants to maintain complete control militarily and economically and a good portion of the world is sick of it.

But they are not the one's instigating the true war and no one should make that claim considering how long the world has set back and watched the west. They would rather put the elite in jail, I honestly believe but the west has made very little effort, even with a president accused of being a socialist, to stop this freight train barreling down the tracks.

It's the entire reason we are in the M East... to keep that control.
It all goes back to the ancient silk road. Look at that as an example and you will also see why we are targeting Iran, whose boycotted oil is still being sold to China. It is why we toppled the country right next to Iran. It is why were on the other side in Afghanistan. It is why we set up ties with other countries in Asia in that vicinity like Khazakistan. It is why the cold war took place. It is why conflicts have gotten started by the hands of so called terrorist in eastern European/Russian borders. It is why the elite are currently toppling Syria, to piss off Iran who has done good to refrain and get them to pull the first shot... or BETTER yet, Russia... who's smart enough to play a careful game of ball.

Wake up... It's all about the bankers fear that the worlds wealth is going to shift from their hands.
They've warned about it, they've written books about it, they teach it to western students and it's what the communist threat was about and what the Muslim threat is about. It's why JFK was assassinated. It's why the US mostly paid for the European missile defense because they are right next door to Russia, yet if you are in the US your head is not covered by what WE payed for and what WE built. There is no other conceivable reason why we would possibly have the biggest most guiltiest hand in all of this and our hands are covered in the blood of other nations...and it all goes back to our masters, the crown and the Vatican after the Great schism split the Church all because the Pope wanted universal jurisdiction over the entire world. They didn't get it and they are NOT done trying.

Japan will make a choice sooner or later and it doesn't matter how many pro democracy tours we do in Asia, the west is WRONG and they're going to pay for it if they don't stop their BS, stop toppling countries and stop sticking their foot in every door because they will NOT destroy China OR their rapidly growing economy.

They didn't start it and we have all set back and watched ENOUGH.

ENOUGH bullying!

ENOUGH Egotistical war talk!

It's putting the entire world at risk... or at the very least, promoting more anti communist paranoia and I'm asking YOU to do YOUR PART to make it end, but certain people are always the ones to come in threads about China glorifying western war tendencies.

I'm not going to explain it again. Read history while looking at a map. It helps illustrate the picture.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

You are out of your mind if you think a force of Russia and China would just roll over that easily. No US casualties? Yeah right. I am not saying the US wouldn't win (if the world didn't end that is), but there would be HUGE losses.
We would be in trouble if we had to fight Iran and NK at once.

The China has too much invested in the US to fight us though, I think. Believe that China has been working on military technology just as much as the US has in secret.

Right now we are fighting with hands tied behind our backs. No civilian casualties. In a REAL war we would let God sort it out. I did not say no casualties, I believe I said minimal. If I said no I apologize. We would steamroll both China and Russia. We would lose some ships, very few. They would be rebuilt with reparation money.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


You actually said "almost no casualties" so I apologize. I still think that is totally incorrect, but I was wrong about what you said.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by NotAnAspie
From 45 to 72 they were held by the US after defeating Japan as part of the RyuKyu Islands, but instead of giving them back to China, they turned around and gave them back to Japan who held them only 50 years WRONGLY... and why? Because we had Japans full surrender and they became somewhat puppetized by us and there is a good chance that all along these Islands were viewed as some sort of a chess piece in a very elaborate territory game.

Completely false. They were ADMINISTERED by the US. They were still Japanese. They were rightfully given back to the Japanese government to administer at the end. If what you state is true, and we wanted our "puppet" to have more land, we wouldn't have returned anything. Certainly not lands that Japan owned prior to WWII. Your argument has no merit once the facts are analyzed.

Here is evidence relating to the islands ownership. This is evidence coming directly from CHINA. Not Japan or the US.

In the 1920's, Chinese Consul Feng Mien wrote a letter which the Japanese have on display that list the Senkaku islands as being part of the Empire of Japan.

1953, The People's Daily (communist part controlled paper so it's official) states the islands are Japanese.

In 1965, The Grand Atlas of the World Vol. 1 (Chinese) lists the Senkaku islands as being Japanese.

In 1969 the official PRC map lists Senkaku as being Japanese.
www.washingtontimes.com...

Recently Lee Teng-hui, the former President of Republic of China stated the Senkaku islands were Japanese (which is what his whole generation grew up believing).

You have obviously not read the Treaty of San Francisco which Japan conceded full control of those Islands to US armed forces who set up the RYUKYU GOVERNMENT which was OVERSEEN by USCAR... and do you know who THAT is? It controls Ford, Chrysler, GM and is the reason that even if cars are not specifically Japanese, many of the parts are made there. And it is ALSO connected to USABC the entity that oversees research AND DEVELOPMENT of advanced energy AND is connected to the department of energy and completely explains the suppression of clean energy systems in cars AND other technology all to keep control of what it understands best as ways to suppress the people... oil and trade.

this is why after setting up the Ryukyu government, they felt they should strive for independence starting in 1945... and that movement still has lingering elements up until the present day whether or not you want to view that movement as suspicion in a western empirical conspiracy theory held by MANY around the world.... it is apparently VERY real and understandably so seeing as how the department of energy and these other entities keep us from moving forward with clean energy that we KNOW exists and has them building predominantly petroleum based vehicles because it is all tied to the west's pursuit of global control of OIL.

Again, Japan really ought to look at their terms closely.

Anything else you would like to add?

Any other reason you'd like to suggest that the other end of the oil conspiracy leash is directly tied to Japan??

I'll give you a big hint... it's not because we felt so sorry for them... because clearly these entities are not concerned with the planet but rather MONEY AND CONTROL.

The reason is because they are right next door from the main competing economic force against the western elites.

NO... NO... there's no global conspiracy here.

China has NOTHING to worry about.

Get real.

As for all those references... gee, how profound. I can find the same information and thousands of web pages saying that japan was given control of those Islands. So what... it doesn't mean the # doesn't stink.

Here, let me give you something closer to your speed.

reply to post by Kashai


IMO

Threat #1 to world stability is China. I see the possibility of war with them to be within reason.

They think they can win, we think we can win. It is an us VS them situation whether they made or we did.

At this point though, they are growing too big for their britches, and we need to settle down.

Let them become the US and the US China. I would LOVE to see a role reversal with the condition that we get to go back to our roots and are left alone.

let them try to assert world dominion. We know the benefits and downfalls. It is time for a new bag.

reply to post by NotAnAspie


A wall of text does not strengthen your position. Please refute my claims that China ceded this land as Japanese until 1970, when resources were found. Thanks.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
We would steamroll both China and Russia. We would lose some ships, very few. They would be rebuilt with reparation money.

I don't think you understand the consequences of a war with both Russia and China. What makes you think yous are simply going to steamroll the pair of them? There are so many different ways that countries could cripple the USA, what your saying really doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Kashai

All things considered China is threating global war, in relation to trying to control these islands. Again the cause of war is a matter of recourses. This could very well explain why the United States has begun moving its naval recourses into the pacific The current real threat to world peace is China. In its effort to expand in a world where all recourses have been indented and defined as belonging to a valid sovereign nation.

In this case Japan.

Any thoughts?


www.businessinsider.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 13-1-2013 by Kashai because: modfed content

The current real threat to world peace is America. Yet again.

I wish you would stop worrying about what the public thinks and go for it. China will smash you like they always have.

No problems in the Asia Pacific apart from the problems that America causes. Funny how Japan didnt have a problem about the South China Sea until America shifts military focus. Funny how the Phillipines didnt have a problem. It isnt their entire populations btw. Just a few that western media can put on tv and some puppet politicians that are afraid of America. But its exagerated for western audience anyway. Asia hates America. Even the nations that have American Military bases hate America. America has been excluded from the Asian trading bloc. How do you explain that? America is hated in Asia not China. China is the future. China is building infrastructure all through surrounding nations. Dont believe the hype. South Korea, Japan, Philipnes and Australia will not back US. We are just messing with you. You have become a joke. Its fun to watch you die slowly.

Japans new Prime Minister has called out America for starting a Currency War with the world hurting Japanese and Australian exporters to name a few. Stop manipulatiing your currency America and then Japan will stop getting so angry at you.

America is a threat to world peace and must be stopped. They cant afford a massive military anymore because they cant manage an economy. america is just a loud mouth cry baby now. The world laughs at America. We are not afraid anymore. Get out of the Asia Pacific.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
We would steamroll both China and Russia. We would lose some ships, very few. They would be rebuilt with reparation money.

I don't think you understand the consequences of a war with both Russia and China. What makes you think yous are simply going to steamroll the pair of them? There are so many different ways that countries could cripple the USA, what your saying really doesn't make any sense.

edit on 14-1-2013 by DarknStormy because: (no reason given)

How do they cripple the US? Tell me some of these many ways. What will they do when their entire import/export economy is shut down from our naval blockades?

reply to post by NotAnAspie


Wow, you know what you are talking about.

I am shocked.



The west is wrong.

reply to post by HenryNorris


The only ones who want America out of the Pacific are the Chinese and fools. Take a look at the map of Chinese claims to their territorial waters and if that doesn't open your eyes you are willfully blind.

Here's a link even.
3.bp.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
We would steamroll both China and Russia. We would lose some ships, very few. They would be rebuilt with reparation money.

I don't think you understand the consequences of a war with both Russia and China. What makes you think yous are simply going to steamroll the pair of them? There are so many different ways that countries could cripple the USA, what your saying really doesn't make any sense.

edit on 14-1-2013 by DarknStormy because: (no reason given)

How do they cripple the US? Tell me some of these many ways. What will they do when their entire import/export economy is shut down from our naval blockades?

I will tell you. Asia is blocking the US from trade. This is because America tried to set up a trade bloc that exluded Chiina. Look who won. China. China is the future in the East and for the world.

America has become isolated since they put sanctions on Iran. Everyone ignored and found ways around. America sucks and we have heard your nonsense all before. Nobody believes your wa mongering nonsense. So you have been isolated and the petrodollar system is under attack.

What Americans dont understand is that America only works if it maintains the Reserve Status. China and the BRICS are close to unseating America. This is why National Debt is a problem now when it wasnt before. This is why America prints USD like there is no tomorrow while its still worth something. And it has to because China has stopped buying your debt. America had to buy over half of its own debt last year. America is doomed.

keep kidding yourself pretending that China needs Americans and their tullip dollars. Its funny that Americans think that the world needs them when America is the thing that the world would be much better off without.

Thank god for China.

edit- and good link that will explain how America has been isolated. Your media is just not telling you because its a massive disaster.
www.thestandard.com.hk...