China Newspaper Says.....

reply to post by Trajan


As I have stated the U.S. would never Invade Mainland China. There would never even be a reason to do so.

What the U.S. can do and do very quickly and efficently is in the event that China should unlikely as it seems...attack an ally such as Japan or attempt to invade Taiwan or even attack a U.S. Territory....the U.S. Navy Pacific Fleet as well as the USAF's Variety of Aircraft and Heavy Bombers that we have stationed all over the Pacific such as Guam, Japan, Midway, Hawaii...and the large USAF Bombing Wings of B-52's, B-1B's and if needed B-2's that are stationed in the Indian Ocean at Diego Garcia.

China has absolutely ZERO ability or even POSIBILITY of defeating such U.S. Forces and add to this the large number of super quiet Ultr-High Tech. USN. Attack Subs....the Chinese Navy are sitting Ducks in an Ocean that is the U.S. Navy's Bathtub.

This is why I find it Highly Unlikely that China would attempt any real shooting war in the Pacific region given that the Chinese Military know only too well how badly they would loose any Military Contest. The Chinese Version of their Naval Admiral on the Joint Chiefs stated to the World Media much to the chagrin and anger of the Chinese Communist Party...that the people of the U.S. have nothing to fear from China's Military as it is multiple decades behind the capabilities of the U.S. Military and Navy. He was almost arrested for his words.

As I have said...it is Highly Unlikely that a War would erupt between the U.S. and China and should the Chinese Communist Party be so stupid as to attempt an Invasion of Taiwan...The U.S. Navy and especially USN. Attack Subs which are stationed in MASS at the Northern Point of the South China Sea...would sink every single Chinese Ship and Troop Carrier headed for Taiwan.

The Chinese Carrier Killer Missile canot penetrate U.S. Carrier Groups Sm-3 ABM as well as the SM-3 being also an Anti-Satellite Missile as was demonstrated a few years back as the New Designed and New Solid Fuel that burns Long and Powerful blew up a targeted Satellite that was falling back to Earth and had a full tank of the Highly Toxic Booster Fuel Hydrazine.

A single SM-3 launched from a ship intercepted the Satellite which was at Orbital Distance and Orbitting the Earth at a Speed near 18,000 Miles Per Hour. The SM-3 directly hit and expoded the Hydrazine Tank on the Satellite as it was not just this Satellite that was in Orbit and traveling many many times faster than a Bullet but the SM-3 was targetted specifically at the Hydrazine Tank on it.

If you consider just how Advanced such an ASAT Missile is as well as the tech. used to network Multiple Super Computer, Radar Systems both active and passive and how advanced the new Solid Fuel is as it is designed to be compact, long burn and many times more powerful than any other countries solid rocket fuel....AND REALIZE that the SM-3 which took out this incredibly fast and high in altitude Satellite...is also THE SAME MISSILE that all Aegis Cruisers and othe Carrier Group Missile Defense Ships posses.......well it makes the chore of shooting down a CHINESE CARRIER KILLER MISSILE seem like riding a bike!

The U.S. also have a Next Gen Hypersonic Ship Killing Missile that makes the new Chinese Missile look like the Wright Brother's plane next to an F/A-22. The SM-3 can shoot down our missile as well. And it can also shoot down any Chinese ICBM or Cruise Missile....and the U.S. will soon have the Free Electron Laser on Every Carrier and Aegis Cruiser within this decade as we already have some now operational that are based on Land and a few at sea.

The Chinese are NOW aware of this fact....and they fear it.

Split Infinity

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty


The Big Labowski asks the DUDE....Well your a LOOSER arn't ya?

The DUDE replies....Well.....YAAAH...but...

LOL!

Split Infinity

reply to post by Trajan


The F/A-22 Raptor is a stop gap measure as it will not be produced in mass. The program that will obtain major funding and will build thousand of Fighter and Attack Aircraft is the Advanced Self Determinant Robotic Stealth Fighter/Attack/Recon. Aircraft Program.

This Program has been ongoing for close to two decades in one form or another and will replace Manned Flight.

The F/A-22 has Thrust Vectored Engines which cause quick changes of direction and thus loss of O2 to the Brain. The Stealth Robotic Aircraft will be more than 20 times more manuverable as it will not have a pilot.

Split Infinity

reply to post by Trajan


I do not know why you think what you do about some supposed lack of experience of the U.S. Navy given it is only a bit over 200 years old but it has always been a well known fact that U.S. Ship Building Tech. as well as the quality of U.S. Sailors training and their Commanders have made all the Navy's of the World Green with Envy.

If you were to watch the Movie...Master and Commander...the Ship that vastly outclasses Russel Crowe's English Built Ship i said to be built in Boston. Back than the French pain very large sums of Money to the American Colonists for Ships that were larger, Better and Faster than any others on Earth's seas.

As far as the U.S. Navy's Traditions and innovations as well as both the North and South's building of early Submarines during the Civil War all the way up to the New Ford Class Stealth Carrier which will have a Free Electron Laser System as well as Mag-Lev Catapult Systems...there is no other Navy or Ship Building capabilities to equal the U.S.'s in the World.

Split Infinity

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Wish I could reply.The Dude used to many f-bombs in the moive.

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty


Well Man! S#!%! I Mean like..a...a...a...Man...a certain S#!% has come to light! This case has many..a...a...a...in's and out's....you know what I mean....Man?

Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity

(Dude) and,you know he's got emotional problems,...man.

(Walter] You mean......beyond pacifism!!!

reply to post by rockymcgilicutty


The Chinese have a Big Labowski Fan Club and this club was supposedly shut down by the Communist Party but then after Media in the U.S. reported this as a Laugher Story...the Club was allowed to continue having meetings. LOL!

This seems rediculous but it is also true that the Communist Party banned for a time Micky Mouse as they actually said that they would not allow Chinese People to worship a character that has lived for years with Minnie Mouse and has not gotten married! LOL! NO S#!%!

Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


I did not know that.I love triva like that.Filed and stored,Thanks

reply to post by SplitInfinity


You keep pulling out the 'super duper mega uber technology' that the U.S. has tucked away, but only judge the Chinese capabilities by what they allow you to see.

You can see the hypocrisy of that stance, don't you?

Even say the U.S. does have these "stealth subs", their systems would likely be akin to the Stealth Cruisers the U.S. has already announced (which have little counter-missile armaments), but the U.S. left one of the computers with the specifications and abilities behind when they left Taiwan a couple months back.

China has announced that they will use their nuclear arsenal in any U.S.-China war. Even say the U.S.N. submarines manage to move underwater at a speed double that of the Ohio-class submarines currently in the U.S.N, that means they can travel at 100 km/h. China's ship-killer ICBM's (DF-21, CSS-5 Mod 4), armed with a nuclear of even a conventional warhead, could crippled a U.S. super carrier with 'one hit'. "There would be no defense against it if it works as theorized" (- U.S. Naval Institute, 2009).

With a blast radius of 2km, the CER of the ship is negated, and the field of damage is rather immense. The shockwave would rip the submarine to shreds (explosion-shock waves are intensified underwater) or at the very least, the crew would suffer very heavy radiation poisoning.


What you are assuming, is that China is just going to sit back and let the U.S. forces hit back.

China knows any hesitation would get them wiped out. They would send missiles to every serious U.S. base within striking distance.

You have troops in Taiwan, Melbourne, Singapore, Midway, Diego Garcia... They'd be struck by the Chinese ICBM's and left incapacitated or eradicated. Your naval might is going to come and knock big bad China away? What if China hits first with their ASBM's and crush your Carrier groups?


The U.S. will nuke back, of course. But do you think China are worried about losing half their population (which would still leave them the second largest in the world) when they committed atrocities gaining power?

Yes, the U.S. has greater overall forces, but how many of them are within range of striking China? Not a whole lot in relation to the Chinese regional superiority.

The U.S. might be forced to fight a land battle in Asia. What if China decided to forcefully occupy Taiwan, Japan, Australia, New Zealand (etc.)?
At the end of the day, it's still boots on the ground that wins wars.



What makes you think China doesn't have super-weapons, too?

The U.S. Govt. reckon China understates it's military spending by $80 - $100bn. Where does all that money go, I wonder?



Long story short; The U.S. Force, while overall better trained and armed, are spread over the world fighting or protecting allies. China has it's forces concentrated in China (a few thousand are on peace keeping missions but they're a drop in the ocean of what China could muster) and the immediate vicinity.


Keep talking about how the U.S. would destroy China in a war. The simple fact is, China could largely survive a nuclear war. America can't.

reply to post by Trajan


China has a very limited supply of Nuclear warheads. last count put them between 30-50 ICBMs. Now take into account the SM3 Interceptors that would be fired as soon as China fired a ICBM. Now also Include the Airbases armed with the land based version to those. No more than a few nukes might make it through. the USN does have those subs and they are currently on assignment somewhere in the world.

The SO called Ship Killers are not accurate enough to score a direct hit on a MOVING TARGET. It is not perfected,and if the US sees a imminent attack coming i can guarantee you the satellites that are needed to even get them near their targets will be destroyed first. Assuming the US navy will be near china in the first place is also a mistake if they see a imminent attack until the satellites are dealt with blinding them.

Yes we all know the USN is not invincible but neither is CHINA,and i wonder how many friends China would have if their fallout kills thousands of russians and other countries.

The U.S. might be forced to fight a land battle in Asia. What if China decided to forcefully occupy Taiwan, Japan, Australia, New Zealand (etc.)?

reply to post by Trajan


No at the end of the day it all comes down to naval strenght.Of which China has very very Little

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


So a war of a few months would end up with next to no us casualties? Against china and russia? What video game is that then?

Out of all of this talk about China -VS-U.S. The one thing that people forget is the American people are used to their way of life. Do you really think the people of the US will live under rule of another country? We would rather destroy the world then loose our way of life. If and when there were no other options we would end life on this planet. Its the American way or no way. Sad but true. Which in turn would not really be a bad thing. A fresh start for those that do manage to survive.

That's why there will be no war.

Originally posted by TheDoctor46
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

So a war of a few months would end up with next to no us casualties? Against china and russia? What video game is that then?

No one has said that have they? And the article is US vs China ALONE. Russia and china do not get along ever since WW2.

Originally posted by TheDoctor46
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

So a war of a few months would end up with next to no us casualties? Against china and russia? What video game is that then?

The one where we don't put boots on the ground and we use our Navy to cut them off, which they can't do anything about, and them bomb them into obscurity until they surrender, with little to NO boots on the ground.

What would we gain by an actual invasion? They will surrender once they are back in the middle ages.

Originally posted by yuppa

Originally posted by TheDoctor46
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

So a war of a few months would end up with next to no us casualties? Against china and russia? What video game is that then?

No one has said that have they? And the article is US vs China ALONE. Russia and china do not get along ever since WW2.

I did say that. Russia has no navy, it is all mothballs and rust. The outcome would be almost identical if Russia joined. I in no way said we can have a LAND invasion with no casualties. But a conventional war with Russia and China would result in almost no US casualties. We would blockade them and bomb them.

Originally posted by Trajan
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

You keep pulling out the 'super duper mega uber technology' that the U.S. has tucked away, but only judge the Chinese capabilities by what they allow you to see.

Not really. Most of the tech he has talked about is in the public domain.

China has announced that they will use their nuclear arsenal in any U.S.-China war.

China says a lot of things. Doesn't make it true. China speaks and bullies a lot more than it acts.

What you are assuming, is that China is just going to sit back and let the U.S. forces hit back.

No, they won't. There simply won't be much they can do about it.

China knows any hesitation would get them wiped out. They would send missiles to every serious U.S. base within striking distance.

And we would do likewise. Our missile defense is years ahead of theirs. Their missiles would mostly get intercepted, ours would mostly land. China knows this, and it's why they wouldn't do it.

You have troops in Taiwan, Melbourne, Singapore, Midway, Diego Garcia... They'd be struck by the Chinese ICBM's and left incapacitated or eradicated. Your naval might is going to come and knock big bad China away? What if China hits first with their ASBM's and crush your Carrier groups?

So China is going to nuke Taiwan (who are Chinese), Australia, Japan, Britain, South Korea, and all the other countries? Seriously? You are rediculous. And the ASBM would get intercepted and China would be crushed.

The U.S. will nuke back, of course. But do you think China are worried about losing half their population (which would still leave them the second largest in the world) when they committed atrocities gaining power?

You think there's no difference? You're deranged. It also doesn't matter about their population. The people in power would die. That is all they care about and why they would never do this.

Yes, the U.S. has greater overall forces, but how many of them are within range of striking China? Not a whole lot in relation to the Chinese regional superiority.

You seem to have the figures, so enlighten me. What are the numbers of the US Naval forces and Chinese Naval forces? How about air forces? Hint, China is laughable.

The U.S. might be forced to fight a land battle in Asia. What if China decided to forcefully occupy Taiwan, Japan, Australia, New Zealand (etc.)?
At the end of the day, it's still boots on the ground that wins wars.

How does China get boots on the ground when their Navy can't get them there? You seem to have a big problem with the ability to think.

Keep talking about how the U.S. would destroy China in a war. The simple fact is, China could largely survive a nuclear war. America can't.

The opposite is true. We have a much greater ability to intercept missiles, thus a much greater ability to withstand attacks. China would be utterly destroyed, the US most likely would not be.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


OH. terribly sorry. I got your posting confused with Anothers.

reply to post by Trajan


Yes China just as all Major Powers has High Tech. Secret Weapons but for you to assume such Weapon Systems are even close to Ultra-High Tech. Level of U.S. Covert Weapon Systems is laughable.

You keep bring up Nuclear War as you state that China knowing the disparity between it's conventional Military Forces and that of the U.S. would opt to go Nuclear rather than suffer such a major loss. This is unlikely for one very major reason.

U.S. Nuclear Forces are without a doubt the best in the World by a great deal and U.S. Nuclear Forces are more accurate, survivable and numerous. China by comparison has a very small number of Nuclear Warheads and delivery systems and to think China would be so reckless and stupid as to launch Nukes at the U.S. is beyond rediculous as China could not survive a U.S. response as well as the U.S.'s ability to shoot down Chinese ICBM's as well as China's lack of any viable Bomber fleet.

When you site any U.S. DOD or DIA Intel reports of possible U.S. Military Defense Flaws that China could take advantage of...you are not seeing the true reason and use of such reports. The U.S. Military IS WELL KNOWN to dramatically understate it's capabilities and as example I site the absolutely rediculous MISSILE GAP study done and reported that stated that the Soviet Union was far ahead of the U.S. in both the Numbers of ICBM's it had as well as the higher level of Soviet Missile Tech.

The reality of this was that the Soviets at the time only had 2...that's TWO operational liquid Fueled ICBM's which used the same rocket that placed SPUTNIK into orbit...a ponderous and massive behemouth of a missile that would have been destroyed on the launch pad way before it could even be fueled as the U.S. Missiles were using solid fuels and could be fired at a moments notice.

As far as U.S. Military Forces that could strike China at a moments notice which are both Nuclear and Non-Nuclear...you should really take a look at the massive disparity that exists as the U.S. Military and Navy is KING of the Pacific and has an enormous amount of forces available to handle China.

Split Infinity