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Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by Logarock

 

I think the real motive, the end aim of government control of health care is not to get out form under the burdens of profitablity. It is a high hope that taking the profit form health care and turning health care into a state apparatus is going to lend to real efficiency.

I think you are specifically referring to the US system. In the US it is not really a nationalization (taking from the private sector to put them under state control) it is simply restructuring of how private organizations manage the heath market-space. The issue only makes sense when you look on the profit versus the quality of service in the US in terms of the general population, it is abysmal and becoming unsupportable in the areas that the private sector drains profits directly from the state......

Reminds me of the Who song...."those that spured us on now sit in judgment of all wrong".

The government gets the health care system so flush with money over the years, diving up costs, making it very profitable and now wants talk like this.

Originally posted by megax5000

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by megax5000

The U.S. under Obama's oppressive socialist regime comes in at a fairly distant no. 10. If only Obama would learn more from one of the paragons of right wing governments, like Canada.

Seriously, how does stuff like this get out to print? Doesn't Heritage have at least ONE proofreader who would point out one of the problems with this?

There are close to TWO HUNDRED countries in the world and yoiu claim the US is a "fairly distant 10"??????

Pretty sure he meant "relatively" distant. I mean, you would think the U.S. is the freest country ever, but only to come up no. 10? That's pretty bad.

Anymore the US being a free country is a myth. The US has the highest rates of incarceration in the world (65% of those in prison are in for non-violent crimes). There is no way in any logical sense or otherwise that you can consider the US a free country on this statistic alone.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
I'm British and my wife's American. We live in London. When we bought our house and moved in together she exerted herself a bit too much and woke up one morning telling me that something had gone crunch in her back and that she needed to go to hospital as her legs were tingling. I drove her straight there, we saw a doctor almost straight away and she was diagnosed as having pulled a muscle, given painkillers and told to take a week off work. She was fine. How much did we pay? About £10 for the painkillers I think. That's what I love about the NHS. You get treated. And you don't pay through the nose. Because there's a safety blanket around you.

Here, in the US, you'd be lucky to get through a similiar scenerio for under $10,000 after endless test (don't want to get sued) and run arounds - Oh- and you'd have to go to work throughout because there are is freedom to be sick or injured in our 'free market' society.

The government gets the health care system so flush with money over the years, diving up costs, making it very profitable and now wants talk like this.

And just how is the US Government responsible for 'driving up costs'?

The Government is not the enemy. Big Money lackeys in government maybe but not the Governing Body. There is a difference.

If there's a sick person in need, I think the humane thing to do is help them, not turn them away because they can't afford the bill or can't afford health insurance.

Sure, get angry at taxes being used for welfare, corporate bailouts, or whatever annoys you...but sick people? WTH!

Do you just walk past someone who has crashed their car and dying... and say "nahhh, why should I spend my time (which is money) helping them"

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
reply to post by Libertygal

 

Do a google search and youll find plenty of examples of people being turned away after the hospitals find out they are uninsured, gun shot and stabbing victims, pregnant women whos babies went on to die.

Turned away from hospitals

Or are these stories just lies and propaganda?

Haha, owned!

Star 4 u

Originally posted by Logarock


Ok two words Medi-Cal.

Yes, and that was a response to this claim someone mad

It is illegal to refuse *anyone* treatment in the US that goes to a hospital, regardless of their ability to pay. If you are crititcally injured, you are treated right then and there, and immediate applications are made, based on ability to pay, age, etc., to Medicare and Medicaid.

My point being, people DO get turned away, and getting them on Medicare or Medicaid doesn't help that.

I was down with some serious health issues, which turned out to be related to a surgery 15 years ago.

In the U.S., I have Tricare health insurance (government) and access to VA facilities. I was unable to get good treatment from the VA, because they danced around the "service-connected" nature of my complaints. Seeing U.S. private doctors, with my health insurance, was not getting any closer to helping. They just kept running expensive test that did not really address what I kept pointing out to them in my medical records.

I've had a Japanese spouse visa for many years, but until last year, I didn't think I needed to seek healthcare there. After finding the U.S. doctors continually running the same tests, without making a diagnosis, I sought healthcare in Japan. They started by listening to my complaints, and studying my medical records. They didn't even order an electromyography, something that the U.S. doctors had given me twice a year. While the U.S. doctors had mostly listened to my complaints, and kept concluding that I must have a neurological disorder, the Japanese doctors looked at the big picture. They said what I knew for 15 years. I have a circulatory disturbance caused by the surgery 15 years ago.

I'm not saying that they have the best health care in the world, but it was certainly a much different experience from the U.S. for me. In Japan, there is no money to be made from performing expensive medical tests, unlike the U.S. I think that the doctors in the U.S. just saw me as their cash cow.

I have seen posts from from other sites of Canadians that are in so much pain they are unable to work. There doctors ply them with meds but refuse to name there disorders. This leads to them being unable to apply for disability and have money to live on.
In Canada there is a conflict of interest where the government runs both the medical system and the disability system and uses both to mistreat there people.

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That leads me to conclude that we are all screwed no matter what.

How could you be "more free" when you've effectively let the government in to your body?

What is it with all this overhyped paranoia about the government?

Business is much more likely to screw you and ruin your life, like they ruined healthcare.