Heritage Foundation Releases Report That Shows Countries That Have Universal Healthcare have more "

Former Senator Jim DeMint, the new president of the conservative Heritage Foundation, has decried Obamacare as “a cancer” that is “is fundamentally inconsistent with liberty.” During the Senate Obamacare fight, DeMint famously declared “If we’re able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”

But a new report from DeMint’s own organization suggests that, far from being incompatible with freedom, countries with health care systems with as much or significantly more government control over healthcare are the freest countries in the world.

The report in question is Heritage’s Economic Freedom Index, released annually since 1997. The report defines the concept of “economic freedom” in misleading right-wing terms, but even by those standards, it appears that universal health care systems far more expansive than Obamacare aren’t “fundamentally inconsistent with liberty.”

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Seriously, how does stuff like this get out to print? Doesn't Heritage have at least ONE proofreader who would point out one of the problems with this?

It was only on this site that I found out people pay for Hospital visits in developed countries,

I put my hand through a window once, sliced it up pretty good.
When I went to the hospital in Australia, they asked for my name and Bday, asked how it happened and 5 min later a Dr and a nurse were looking at it. 30 min later I was in surgery and after I woke up I was out the door with pain killers and a card telling me when to go back to get the stitches out.

They didnt even look at my ID let alone ask for money!!!!!

I seriously cant wrap my head around why healthcare isnt free in a country as allegedly rich as the USA

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
It was only on this site that I found out people pay for Hospital visits in developed countries,

I put my hand through a window once, sliced it up pretty good.
When I went to the hospital in Australia, they asked for my name and Bday, asked how it happened and 5 min later a Dr and a nurse were looking at it. 30 min later I was in surgery and after I woke up I was out the door with pain killers and a card telling me when to go back to get the stitches out.

They didnt even look at my ID let alone ask for money!!!!!

I seriously cant wrap my head around why healthcare isnt free in a country as allegedly rich as the USA

Because insurance and pharm componies spend a huge amount of money to convince people that it is a communist plot and many Americans are just dumb enough to believe it, not to mention both parties are getting rich off of them.

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In absolute truth, I do not understand the point they (the blogger) are trying to make, nor do I understand your comment. Can you state what you're saying a little more clearly? I think the problem is that the hot-button terms (like "right-wing" and "socialist") are throwing me off. For example, I have no idea whether the blogger considers Canada a right-wing country or not; nor whether he considers Obama a socialist. I think he's making some kind of wry, sarcastic comment, but I don't understand the shorthand he's using....

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
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In absolute truth, I do not understand the point they (the blogger) are trying to make, nor do I understand your comment. Can you state what you're saying a little more clearly? I think the problem is that the hot-button terms (like "right-wing" and "socialist") are throwing me off. For example, I have no idea whether the blogger considers Canada a right-wing country or not; nor whether he considers Obama a socialist. I think he's making some kind of wry, sarcastic comment, but I don't understand the shorthand he's using....

The blogger is making fun of the fact that Obama is relentlessly attacked by the conservative wing in the U.S. for supposedly being a "socialist", while at the same time many of these same people are lauding governments who are more socialist in some aspects than America, while being rather unaware that they're doing just that.

Originally posted by megax5000

The U.S. under Obama's oppressive socialist regime comes in at a fairly distant no. 10. If only Obama would learn more from one of the paragons of right wing governments, like Canada.

Seriously, how does stuff like this get out to print? Doesn't Heritage have at least ONE proofreader who would point out one of the problems with this?

There are close to TWO HUNDRED countries in the world and yoiu claim the US is a "fairly distant 10"??????

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To not have universal healthcare is to garantee a nations destruction.

When people can rig the anti-matter engine in his flying car to explode and destroy an entire city, the need to keep people sane and healthy becomes paramount.

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Ah. Thanks. Now it makes sense.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by megax5000

The U.S. under Obama's oppressive socialist regime comes in at a fairly distant no. 10. If only Obama would learn more from one of the paragons of right wing governments, like Canada.

Seriously, how does stuff like this get out to print? Doesn't Heritage have at least ONE proofreader who would point out one of the problems with this?

There are close to TWO HUNDRED countries in the world and yoiu claim the US is a "fairly distant 10"??????

Pretty sure he meant "relatively" distant. I mean, you would think the U.S. is the freest country ever, but only to come up no. 10? That's pretty bad.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
It was only on this site that I found out people pay for Hospital visits in developed countries,

I put my hand through a window once, sliced it up pretty good.
When I went to the hospital in Australia, they asked for my name and Bday, asked how it happened and 5 min later a Dr and a nurse were looking at it. 30 min later I was in surgery and after I woke up I was out the door with pain killers and a card telling me when to go back to get the stitches out.

They didnt even look at my ID let alone ask for money!!!!!

I seriously cant wrap my head around why healthcare isnt free in a country as allegedly rich as the USA

I seriously can't wrap my head around how you think healthcare is free(it cost someone), but then again I can't wrap my head around how stupid someone must be to put their hand through a window.

so I guess I answered my first question by answering my second

Healthcare isn't "free". They use taxes you worked for and collected to pay for it.

Including sales tax. So if you bought a candy bar, You contributed, and therefore entitled to care.

Would you rather pay $3000 a year out of your own pocket to an insurance co. That ends up as profit if you don't go to a doctor or would rather have a much smaller portion of all taxes already collected go to your health coverage.

The fact that ins. co's record billions in profits, means that everybody is massively over paying.

The fact that they are investing money means that they are not using all the money they are collecting on health coverage, another indication that they are over charging and that you are over paying.

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How could you be "more free" when you've effectively let the government in to your body?

Originally posted by PvtHudson
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How could you be "more free" when you've effectively let the government in to your body?

Beats me. Ask Heritage. They're the ones who are making the claim.

Health care in America used to be very cheap and of the highest quality and envy of the world.. it is when the Insurance companies got in bed with government and started regulating ( protecting markets for crony corps) that costs went way up and have gotten out of control so much so they have to force people to buy inurance.

It took a long time but now even the quality is declining. The free market provided the highest quality of health care in the world and private charities helped those who needed assistance. No one was turned away because they could not pay and they still aren't to this day.

We just want government and crony insurance corps out of it so the quality will return and prices will drop. We prefer not to be babysat from cradle to grave. Many doctors are opting out of accepting insurance and lowering their prices because they don't have to pay for extra employees to process all the red tape that entails.

What I can't imagine is governments are going broke around the world by piling up debt debasing their currencies just like the USA and people want these idiots to be in charge of health care.... Sigh. As Ron Paul said if you think health care is expensive now wait till it supposed to be free...

People who think forced socializing of everything will make it free when it will inf fact collapses their societies. You people in Europe the UK Australia etc. that think only America has these problems you are following in our footsteps and the UK may even collapse before us you cannot defy the math. When you debase the currency it can do nothing else!

I have been to Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, and Canada. While I definitely enjoyed my time in all of these countries, I would not say they had more freedoms than the United States. Of all the places I've been I would not rather call any other country my home.

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Do you have any idea of the percentage of the US population that is behind bars ?!?

I'm British and my wife's American. We live in London. When we bought our house and moved in together she exerted herself a bit too much and woke up one morning telling me that something had gone crunch in her back and that she needed to go to hospital as her legs were tingling. I drove her straight there, we saw a doctor almost straight away and she was diagnosed as having pulled a muscle, given painkillers and told to take a week off work. She was fine. How much did we pay? About £10 for the painkillers I think. That's what I love about the NHS. You get treated. And you don't pay through the nose. Because there's a safety blanket around you.

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It also seems odd to want an industry that actively seeks profits from the misery of others. They are even starting to privatize the military, not that there was not already a relation between profit and war, but it starts to become ludicrous how the general populace does not see and revolt against this overt subversion of state functions and policies by private interests.

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I seriously can't wrap my head around how you think healthcare is free(it cost someone), but then again I can't wrap my head around how stupid someone must be to put their hand through a window. so I guess I answered my first question by answering my second

I reaslise it costs someone in the form of taxes and was oversimplifying, I meant that I didnt pay anything on the day.

I tripped and on instinct put my hand out to catch myself and it went through the window.

Not sure why the need to be insulting over this, is it possible your a particular type of nut who has seen me in other threads and is now going to try and mock every post of mine they see or are you just a fan of people being turned away from hospitals because they cant pay?

Originally posted by megax5000


"But a new report from DeMint’s own organization suggests that, far from being incompatible with freedom, countries with health care systems with as much or significantly more government control over healthcare are the freest countries in the world".

Not taking sides here. But must point out what a large pile of rhetoric is being droped into this read. The one has nothing to do with the other. Its call bulls##t.

Its like saying that planes that carry parachutes are the safest in the world.