How Soon Will The Rapture Take Place ?

we are not living in the end times, and i'd bet my power of attorney on that.

the conditions described as the end times are nothing more than broad generalizations and symbolism meant to convey that the worst times will be christianity under the roman empire.

The Rapture will never happen because its a myth.

The scriptures are very clear that all are killed for their testimony.

Have a read:

www.numberman.net...

www.numberman.net...

I wonder if these people ever read more than one page in the Bible ?

Explain to me when and where these people died eternally ?


I Cor 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

prophet, i've read the entire bible

every single page of the text.

i've read the kjv and the new american, and i know that it would make a decent miniseries for hbo, because of all the rape and murder ordained by god.

i'm interested prophet, have you ever studied any OTHER religions besides christianity?

just out of curiosity:

have you ever read a single page from the quran?

a sentence from the vedas?

a word from the mahabarrata?

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
I wonder if these people ever read more than one page in the Bible ?

Still at it Lastday?

Yes I (we) have read the bible. Many times. Also
attended quite a few bible studies and have many
bible study books in the house which are 'well worn'
from reading and study.

Those bible quotes you posted are two things -

1 - some are discussing the final end/judgement.
2 - some have nothing at all to do with this discussion
and are just taking up space.
3 - NONE refer to any 'rapture'.

In the end ... belief in 'rapture' was concocted by Nelson Darby
in the 1800's and it has NOTHING to do with salvation. It is not
necessary to believe in a Rapture for salvation. It is, however,
rather dangerous to base you faith on an 'easy out' which
(according to those who believe in it) may or may not happen
in their life time.

It's best to prepare for the 'worst' ... prepare to give your life
for you faith ... and if God does provide a 'Rapture' then it's a
nice surprise. Basing one's faith on a Rapture is dangerous.
When it doesn't come, faith in God will be shaken. Since the
mid 1800's Rapture cultists have based their faith on a Rapture
that never came. How many had their faith shaken? Only
God knows.

Don't worry about a 'Rapture'. Just live life as if it weren't coming.
(cuz it isn't) That way you'll be prepared when bad times hit
(bad times ALWAYS hit). And remember ... Rapture belief has
no effect on Salvation.

Revelation would be the most detailed book telling us the events so show me where a harpazo Αρπαζω event takes place after the last Trumpet in Revelation. That would be #7 to speed up your research.

Here's some scriptures to think about:

Pro 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

Pro 11:31 Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.

Psa 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Enoch 1:1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the Elect and Righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Here's some scriptures to think about:

Pro 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

This verse means that the righteous will always be upon the earth, but that the wicked will be removed

Pro 11:31 Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall rea


Psa 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Enoch 1:1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the Elect and Righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.
Enoch was not included in the original manuscripts, although the statement is accurate

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The "ELECT" here refers to the 144,000 jews that will preach the gospel during the tribulation period. There are many gentiles that will be saved during the tribulation, but they are not the "ELECT"


Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

These are the gentiles that were saved during the tribulation period


Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

i would like to anyone to point out any instance in which the bible predicts a specific event that happened after the last book was published that has come to pass.

so don't bring up anything in the biblical period, things that happened AFTER the bible was written only count.

i want something that is specific, not a very broad, general, prediction.

You didn't answer very well. If the righteous are always on the earth and never removed then how do you account for a rapture? That is the process of taking the righteous off of the Earth and letting the wicked stay.


Enoch and his testimony are mentioned in Hebrews and Jude and his name is mentioned in Genesis. There are many parallels with the scriptures and his book. It is a Dead Sea Scroll book which means it was highly regarded in their day and taught among followers.

You also never accounted for where in Revelation the Harpazo event takes place nor as to why it says all are slain for their testimony.

You and your like will be in for a huge let down when your not carried away. Better not to count on this as Flyers Fan so brilliantly put in his comment. To teach this as fact and doctrine is wrong.

I see you guys banned the LastDay Prophet. Can I have his points?

The 24 elders(used in the Book of Revelation) are the saints taken to heaven before the tribulation. The number 24 is used because it is using the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles symbolically. Jews who placed their faith forward in the coming messiah, and Gentiles who place their faith back to Jesus.

Revelation 4:1
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet(the sound of a trumpet) talking with me; which said, Come up hither(raptured), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter..........

4:4
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold...........

4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, ............

Revelation 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Also look in the Book of Acts

Acts 15:13
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

15:14
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name

15:15
And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

15:16
after this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

15:17
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

vs 17 the word residue in the Strongs concordance, means left down or left behind. The Strongs concordance was written about a centuryt before the Left Behind series of books.

also look in Luke

Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

One of the meanings for escape is vanish

There are several other verses and I have posted them before. This is enough proof to know it's true. Plus read 2 Thessalonians ch. 2 that has alot of information concerning the timing of the rapture.







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dbrandt, the word escape is the only word closest to the original greek, there is no word with the exact same meaning in greek.

vanish does not apply here because it is associated with the english word escape, not the original greek word.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i would like to anyone to point out any instance in which the bible predicts a specific event that happened after the last book was published that has come to pass.

so don't bring up anything in the biblical period, things that happened AFTER the bible was written only count.

i want something that is specific, not a very broad, general, prediction.

I don't find apocalypse predictions in the bible to be very clear either.
But, just look at the Hopi peoples' nine signs of the end times for a clear set of fulfilled ones. Eight are in the books, one to go.
And the Mayan December 21, 2012 date is about as specific as you can get.

Rev 4:1 - This is a vision to John - The angel is showing him things, not rapturing him.


Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (ok first people see this)

Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. (this is referring to the event that takes place in Revelation Chapter 19:11 -21)

then your verse:

Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. (Stand before him by surviving the Judgement upon Mankind - This isn't suggesting a Rapture at all, but rather protection)

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
dbrandt, the word escape is the only word closest to the original greek, there is no word with the exact same meaning in greek.

vanish does not apply here because it is associated with the english word escape, not the original greek word.

This isn't just meant for you but for anyone, and if it sounds snotty it certainly isn't meant to be.

But once again I state the verses reagrding this event and those who don't believe it come back with their response, an excuse for not believing that the event is going to happen.

And that's fine. When I first started posting on rapture threads about the verses that tell of it, the responses would get a little aggravating. But now I post about the rapture every once in a while because not everyone sees all the other posts made on the subject. So I still stand behind these verses and the others that tell of it. I can't convince you it's true and you can't convince me it's not.

I think it's an awesome thing to think about. When the actual event does take place, people will be scrambling to find these rapture threads and read them. It still won't be too late for salvation after this event takes place.

Originally posted by NumberMan
Rev 4:1 - This is a vision to John - The angel is showing him things, not rapturing him.

In chapters 1-3 we read about the church. Then chapter 4 begins with a "Come up here" in verse 1. Then we are introduced to the 24 elders. We periodically see them in Revelation and always in heaven. No more mentioning of the church on the earth. The church is a specific group of believers. It is made up of saints but not all saints are in the church(and I'm not talking about a church denomination)

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i would like to anyone to point out any instance in which the bible predicts a specific event that happened after the last book was published that has come to pass.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? The answer yes, May 14, 1948.

Your reply to this, it's not good enough/that doesn't count.

Maybe July 4, 1776, or July 1, 1867 is what he meant. I am just noting that I don't see how Israel is able to be discerned from that.
It could be any date, or any nation. Even Nunavut, for all I can tell.

The answer is so simple as to warrant little debate.

The Rapture will occur the next time I visit Hawaii and have the funds to stay two weeks instead of one! lol
Of course, your idea of the rapture may involve some religious fantasy thought up by the English in the 1600's.
To each his own.
skep

The Vedas
Mayans
Hopi
Maori
Dogon
Aborigines
etc.
these are all different views on the same idea.