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I personally do not see why there should be any constitutional crisis should this event ever happen.
I understand there is obviously some historical bad blood with Catholics and the UK, mostly bourne out of the dispute over Ireland.
But I do not see why belonging to any particular ethnic or religious group should be used against somebody, especially if their intentions are for the good.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by pavmas
.... and lets mention about The church Of England have people in the house of lords.
There are numerous Catholics in both The House Of Commons and The House Of Lords.
Cathollics cant change the law thats why discrimination is still in place.
Catholics have exactly the same voting rights as any other religion in the UK, including Anglians etc.
For Americans the only example I can try and give you is' if black people never had the vote in America then they would still be depending on white people to give them equal rights, as if you white and in power its not going to happen.
What utter nonsense.
You can not liken discrimination against Catholics here in the UK and the plight of Black Americans.
Britain set up the same in South Africa denying black people votes,
Although Brits were definately complicit in Apartheid it's got to be said that it's biggest advocates were Dutch Boers.
The Queen mother was a known racist
Was she?
Got to say that I've never heard anything about that - though I wouldn't be surprised.
But so what?
What exactly is your point?
who never ever wanted black south african to get the vote,
Well, it had absolutely nothing to do with her.
And exactly what is the relevance of any of that with regards to the topic under discussion.
I suspect you are trying to hijack this thread in an effort to voice your anti-monarchy feelings and opinions.
Why don't you start your own thread on that and I'm sure many of us will contribute to it.
Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
The simple fact of the matter is that Americans feel that they need a constitution and assualt rifles to stop a government from becoming tyrannical.
We don't need any of that, the Queen could dissolve a government that tried to become tyrannical.
Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
The simple fact of the matter is that Americans feel that they need a constitution and assualt rifles to stop a government from becoming tyrannical.
We don't need any of that, the Queen could dissolve a government that tried to become tyrannical.
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by pavmas
I agree pavmas, but I do think that the Queen does treat all of us as equals. I think the disparity you mention is purely an issue with our laws and they need updating. I do not for one minute think that the Queen see's Catholics as lessers of protastants. She made a very brave visit to the Republic of Ireland just recently that shows that she does want to have greater relations with the Irish state which is prodominantly Catholic. Aside from quoting the law of the land, there is no evidence that I am aware of that indicates that the Queen discriminates against Catholics.
Originally posted by hotel1
Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
The simple fact of the matter is that Americans feel that they need a constitution and assualt rifles to stop a government from becoming tyrannical.
We don't need any of that, the Queen could dissolve a government that tried to become tyrannical.
That is a very good point well made. I wonder is it possible to discuss the political US/UK differences without it turning into a gun control debate.
What if the Queen were corrupt?
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by smyleegrl
What if the Queen were corrupt?
Then we'd remove her, like we did with some of her predecessors.
Originally posted by pavmas
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by pavmas
I agree pavmas, but I do think that the Queen does treat all of us as equals. I think the disparity you mention is purely an issue with our laws and they need updating. I do not for one minute think that the Queen see's Catholics as lessers of protastants. She made a very brave visit to the Republic of Ireland just recently that shows that she does want to have greater relations with the Irish state which is prodominantly Catholic. Aside from quoting the law of the land, there is no evidence that I am aware of that indicates that the Queen discriminates against Catholics.
I totally agree with you, and if you are going to have a figurehead then no one is better placed than the queen.
I actually like the Queen' she was trained for a job and does it well and if she met me in person she would treat me no different to you.
But its the establishment thats she represents I have problems with and the discrimination involved,
Think for one moment, all this banning Catholics to protect The Church Of England, what if the future monarch was Atheist, they would be snookered then would they not.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by michael1983l
In everyday life Catholics are treat no different than people of any other religion / belief system.
However, when it comes to the alleged two most senior positions in UK society, the monarch and the Prime Minister then Catholics are barred from them and as such discriminated against.
When Blair was PM he couldn't alter the law and was forced to wait until he was no longer PM before he publicly announced his conversion to Catholicism, (not that he's a great advert for it).
For the record I was raised Catholic but consider myself Agnostic.
Originally posted by smyleegrl
Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
The simple fact of the matter is that Americans feel that they need a constitution and assualt rifles to stop a government from becoming tyrannical.
We don't need any of that, the Queen could dissolve a government that tried to become tyrannical.
What if the Queen were corrupt?