A Question for the British People

Originally posted by DeadpoolPete
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

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Originally posted by smyleegrl

Britain is divided and rotten to the core and untill we have an elected figurehead that represents all the people it will remain so.

reply to post by pavmas

 

Does the Prime Minister not fulfill this role? I mean, I know not everyone likes the PM (same as not every American likes Obama) but he is an elected official, correct?

No
The Elected prime minister must go to Buck Place and ask The queens permission to form a government.

A president would not

Originally posted by mee30
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

Please define "average British citizen"...

I can only speak for me and the people I know but we can't stand them... They have nothing at all to do with us and I wouldn't give them the time of day! See if they had an ounce of decency they would denounce their privilege and titles and live amongst the people, as they are just people too... I think the whole charade is a big joke!

Wow, defining average British citizen, I don't think I can. I just meant the everyday person, one who's not involved in the government and is just trying to live their life.

The monarchy is a historical thing and here in the UK it has very little direct power but we like it generally as a link to the past more than anything and we're happy to let them do their thing since they pay their taxes the same as us and you guys from the USA etc love to visit our palaces so why not keep them if they generate more income than they cost as its basic commercialism which should be applauded by our American cousins

Originally posted by pavmas

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Britain is divided and rotten to the core and untill we have an elected figurehead that represents all the people it will remain so.

reply to post by pavmas

 

Does the Prime Minister not fulfill this role? I mean, I know not everyone likes the PM (same as not every American likes Obama) but he is an elected official, correct?

No
The Elected prime minister must go to Buck Place and ask The queens permission to form a government.

A president would not

I did not know this. Thank you for clarifying! I always thought the PM was in control of the country, and the monarchy were more figure heads. I didn't realize the Queen still had power.

reply to post by smyleegrl


Just to point out it is more of a tradition, she hasn't said "No you can't have a government" I also like the fact she can advise our PM, let's not forget she has met many prime ministers and lived through a lot of things happening.

Originally posted by Maxatoria
The monarchy is a historical thing and here in the UK it has very little direct power but we like it generally as a link to the past more than anything and we're happy to let them do their thing since they pay their taxes the same as us and you guys from the USA etc love to visit our palaces so why not keep them if they generate more income than they cost as its basic commercialism which should be applauded by our American cousins

I didn't really get to visit Buckingham Palace, didn't have that much interest. But I loved visiting the older castles, and Stonehenge, and the cathedrals.

Beautiful country, England. I hope to get back one day (and continue on to Scotland. I have serious kilt fantasies).

Thanks for the reply!

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and we're happy to let them do their thing since they pay their taxes

Please speak for yourself! Who is this we? I do not "let them" do anything! They do what they do by force! You go try and stop them and find that out for yourself, lol... And I don't buy all this they pay more in taxes than they take... Because then why the hell would they take in the first place? And why should they be able to take anything anyway? Can I just take like that? What a joke, talk about rose tinted glasses...

Sorry I respect your opinion and all and I don't hate you but you are flat out wrong about people "letting them do their thing", it is force, don't forget that, be honest about it...

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by pavmas

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

Hello BoyMonkey,

Every country likes a bit of national pride and I feel that when I think of our Queen, lot's of history to go with that too.

Yes, I can see this. That was one of the things I loved so much about my time in England...the sense of history and continuity.

I remember visiting a castle (Warwick Castle? I'm sorry, my brain isn't working and I can't remember). Anyway, behind the castle was a wall that dated back to 1066. That was incredible.

Here in America, our ancient cities are only 400 years or so old.

So you enjoyed the continued discrimination of me your sense of history is no equal rights for me "WHY" what have I done to you.

I'm sorry, I don't understand your reply.

A person can enjoy a sense of history, without being political about it.

Well you said you loved the sense of history and continuity' now Im British and a catholic so I assumed that you know a bit about the discrimnation enshrined in law and still law in 2013.

Now imagine if they still had slavery in the USA and I went on holiday to the deep south and came back and said oh I loved so much about my time in America.

I remember visiting a plantation (Tara?
they had slave huts dating back 200 years
that was incredible.

And the a black person said to me after i posted in here.

Hey' what have I done to you' why do you enjoy my slavery so much,

I would know exactly what he was on about.

I am a catholic and suffer discrimination in the country of my birth and that discrimination is enshrined in law' i see nothing wonderful about the continuity at work here.

reply to post by mee30


So, I'm guessing you do not like the monarchy?

Our Head of state is non political where as in the US the Head of State is a member of either the Democrat, or Republican party. Her Majesty The Queen as head of the Privy Council has the constitutional authority to stamp the Privy Seal on a duly elected majority party to form a lawful government.

To summarise a duly elected majority party requires the stamp of the Privy Seal as a guarrentor that the incumbent majority party has been duly, and lawfully elected.

It is therefore in the interests of the UK population to be aware of the activities of other Royal Personages that hold a place in the line of succession as it is possible in the event of deaths anyone of these attached Royals may one day hold the stamp of the Privy Seal.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

Hello BoyMonkey,

Every country likes a bit of national pride and I feel that when I think of our Queen, lot's of history to go with that too.

Yes, I can see this. That was one of the things I loved so much about my time in England...the sense of history and continuity.

I remember visiting a castle (Warwick Castle? I'm sorry, my brain isn't working and I can't remember). Anyway, behind the castle was a wall that dated back to 1066. That was incredible.

Here in America, our ancient cities are only 400 years or so old.

Just for you, Warwick Castle :-

upload.wikimedia.org...

The Castle is about 20 miles from my home town.

reply to post by pavmas


Okay, I understand now. Thank you for clarifying.

Although I knew the Queen was the head of the Church of England, I did not know that Catholics were still discriminated against.

Please believe me when I say that I meant no disrespect to you.

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with entrails of the last priest"
Denis Diderot

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

Just to point out it is more of a tradition, she hasn't said "No you can't have a government" I also like the fact she can advise our PM, let's not forget she has met many prime ministers and lived through a lot of things happening.

You like the fact that an un elected monarch can advise the prime minister that is elected by the people (stone me)

She has never said no' lol, that's like saying its alright Obama can lock up Americans without trial because he has not done it yet.

Its just tradition' the same as the discrimination against catholic's is eh tradition.

Some times I just think whats the point of even arguing

reply to post by smyleegrl


smylee,

I think you are asking in the wrong place if you want an accurate answer to this question. I believe many ATS'ers who are British will not appreciate our Monarchy because they are prone to believing conspiracy theorys, thats why we are here right? The truth is that most of society do not have much of an opinion on the Royals and then you get the polarised pro Royal's and Anti-Royal's of which I would say there seems to be about a 50/50 split. The last 12 months, with the Royal Wedding and the Olympics though has done the Monarchy a world of good as it has given back some national pride to some that had began to lose it.

I myself am very pro monarchy in its current format with its current incumbents. I personally think that the Royal Family keep their noses out, where it doesn't belong, whilst still providing us with a unique national identity. The Royal Family aside from a few like Andrew are great ambassedors for the UK and they work tirelessly. Our British heritidge is rich and our Monarchy is a big part of that, it is a constitutional Monarchy so that sits well with us.

You get those that moan about having to pay for them and that they are freeloaders, but the reality is that we each pay 20 pence a year towards our Monarchy in taxes and the money brought in for Tourism is exceptionally greater than what they cost us. Diplomatically as well they command a lot of respect around the globe mostly because they have done their role so well.

So be careful when you are listening to the Royal bashers on here, their voices are generally not as loud in a true cross section of British society.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by pavmas

 

Okay, I understand now. Thank you for clarifying.

Although I knew the Queen was the head of the Church of England, I did not know that Catholics were still discriminated against.

Please believe me when I say that I meant no disrespect to you.

No disrespect taken, in fact just last week the church says just how important it is for this discrimination to continue
www.telegraph.co.uk...

reply to post by michael1983l


Yes, I realized the answers might be skewed somewhat. But this is the only internet forum I belong too, and thus my only avenue to discuss this with the British people.

So even answers that I know are skewed are enlightening.

Thank you for your post!

reply to post by smyleegrl

Wow, defining average British citizen, I don't think I can. I just meant the everyday person, one who's not involved in the government and is just trying to live their life.

I was expecting drinks tea, bowler hat...

So, I'm guessing you do not like the monarchy?

Oh no, I love em me...

It's not so much that I don't like them, it's that the very idea of it is immoral and archaic... I also do think that they get up to some hideous things, I mean they were very close with jimmy savile for instance and there was a girl found naked and dead near their property recently...

It honestly makes my skin crawl when I happen to see one of their parades with all the people their cheering and crying and lining up just so they can get a glimpse... I feel the same about celebrities, which is pretty much what the "royal family" are (even saying the royal family brings a bad taste to my mouth)...

I mean they are just human beings right, there is nothing inherently special about them, just a load of non-sense... They have no place in a so called "civilized society". I mean how on earth can they justify the government stealing from the people and then giving it to them? How on earth can they be on benefits? It's absolutely shocking...

Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

smylee,

I think you are asking in the wrong place if you want an accurate answer to this question. I believe many ATS'ers who are British will not appreciate our Monarchy because they are prone to believing conspiracy theorys, thats why we are here right? The truth is that most of society do not have much of an opinion on the Royals and then you get the polarised pro Royal's and Anti-Royal's of which I would say there seems to be about a 50/50 split. The last 12 months, with the Royal Wedding and the Olympics though has done the Monarchy a world of good as it has given back some national pride to some that had began to lose it.

I myself am very pro monarchy in its current format with its current incumbents. I personally think that the Royal Family keep their noses out, where it doesn't belong, whilst still providing us with a unique national identity. The Royal Family aside from a few like Andrew are great ambassedors for the UK and they work tirelessly. Our British heritidge is rich and our Monarchy is a big part of that, it is a constitutional Monarchy so that sits well with us.

You get those that moan about having to pay for them and that they are freeloaders, but the reality is that we each pay 20 pence a year towards our Monarchy in taxes and the money brought in for Tourism is exceptionally greater than what they cost us. Diplomatically as well they command a lot of respect around the globe mostly because they have done their role so well.

So be careful when you are listening to the Royal bashers on here, their voices are generally not as loud in a true cross section of British society.

You demonstrate a wisdom of understanding, and reason with your post. If I was a mod you would get a round of applause for representing the uniqueness of the UKs political situation on an international forum.

Kudos to you

Kind regards