Originally posted by MrSpad
Anytime a group decides to close themselves off from the rest of society and indoctrinates its community, arms itself and declares they are patriots, you know it is not gonna end well just like most cults.

This is exactly how America started. Broke off from England, indoctrination with republic based constitution, armed itself, and declared themselves patriots......

......and now you're telling me America is a cult? Hypocritical are we?

Originally posted by dominicus

Originally posted by MrSpad
Anytime a group decides to close themselves off from the rest of society and indoctrinates its community, arms itself and declares they are patriots, you know it is not gonna end well just like most cults.

This is exactly how America started. Broke off from England, indoctrination with republic based constitution, armed itself, and declared themselves patriots......

......and now you're telling me America is a cult? Hypocritical are we?

Sorry, but that's a tad simplistic. The reality was far, far more complicated than that.

Originally posted by mikell
Lotsa luck but never going to happen requires too much money. My buddy has over 10k acres in the Kentucky Tennessee area that he can't give away people offering 10$ an acre but he won't sell for less than 100$

Ill take a couple hundred acres..................

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by dominicus

Originally posted by MrSpad
Anytime a group decides to close themselves off from the rest of society and indoctrinates its community, arms itself and declares they are patriots, you know it is not gonna end well just like most cults.

This is exactly how America started. Broke off from England, indoctrination with republic based constitution, armed itself, and declared themselves patriots......

......and now you're telling me America is a cult? Hypocritical are we?

Sorry, but that's a tad simplistic. The reality was far, far more complicated than that.

Not really simplistic, just condensed. It is exactly what happened.

The future of the U.S. will be the addition of a third major party based on freedom and the constitution, and major areas of the country converging together based on constitution/freedom. It's the natural evolution politically, considering our only other option is corporate/banker owned socialism which what is what we have now.

Its a matter of time, and going to happen no matter what

Wow fun Idea,. But for all the reasons for the above and also..
Too close to Yellowstone for me..

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress

A group of like-minded patriots, bound together by pride in American exceptionalism, plan on building an armed community to protect their liberty.

According to the Citadel website, Rightful Liberty means that "neighbors keep their noses out of other neighbors' business, that neighbors live and let liv

Thanks for posting Prof. I read a number of the comments posted, but honestly did not go through all 5 pages. However I did read the link to the article, went and looked at the groups application and faqs pages.

I'm not particularly troubled with the concept. Actually surprised that something like this hasn't happened more recently. People can choose to do what they wish and live where they want to, its as simple as that.

If no laws are being broken either locally or federally (constitution, which they say they will live by), I see absolutely no objection to anyone who wishes to do so.

With that said, they are in the early stages of preparing and even state although Idaho is where they are looking to build this neighborhood, they haven't fully commited to that - that is noted in their FAQ's link. So, much yet to be determined and understood.

It is interesting, but some alarms go off about the isolation and what other potential restrictions 'may' occur. So the jury is still out. Personally, the concept does not appeal to me because of the 'militia' lifestyle they endorse, but I could see where this could be appealing to others.

We'll just have to wait and see if this really flies or fades away, but interesting all the same.

Peace!! ID

This group isn't about Exceptionalism it's about Exclusivism. You have to be pretty blind not to realize that it's the differences that makes Democracy such a great thing, the unwillingness to allow anyone who thinks differently within their walls is exactly the opposite of that, such a thing is called nationalist socialism with a practice of moral absolutism.

Remember Nazi Germany? That's exactly what they believed in. They were a populace blinded by pride, who had so much patriotism that they couldn't tell right from wrong. Narrow minded fools.

That's exactly what these people are. Idiots.

Neat idea but I don't see how it would be any freer than living elsewhere in Amerika. Taxes would still have to be paid, property, county, state and federal regardless if you opted out of the use of their "services".

The Amish still have to declare income and pay property/county taxes.

The laws of the State and Federal Government would still apply; if you bartered or sold eggs/milk to your neighbors they can swoop in. The EPA can stop by and enforce whatever codes exist... Any federal gun laws would still exist and be enforceable by law.

There is nowhere to escape in Amerika from the tax man and the long arm of the law.

The people are somehow inexorably and permanently bound by the assent of their forefathers to a federal government without recourse - forced into a binding contract upon birth of taxation in exchange for entitlements and restrictions.

I personally do not see how a contract entered into by the people alive 200 years ago is binding upon me in perpetuity just because I happen to be born here.

I personally think another constitutional convention is long past overdue in which the people can choose to continue to remain part of the Union or not. Perhaps with some changes, to the documents and stipulations and conditions for the continuance of the contract.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Big forts make big targets and their Citadel will look mighty nice to the targeting system of a UAV Bomber or even a manned one, if it pushed that far .... Although, of course, it would never have to. Fixed positions are vulnerable to one thing. They need things from outside their own outer wall and/or need to get rid of things. Get's them every time and it sounds great for symbolism ...EXPENSIVE symbolism ... but not much in real security, IMO.

Half the trick in being secure is no one knowing there ought to be a target there in the first place, IMO.

Well if it comes to the point of UAV's etc any neighborhood is just as vulnerable and all bets are off. In the meantime it would be nice to live in a community of like minded individuals and of course if things got so bad that you were in fear of UAV or other extreme attack then I am sure like minded folks who believe in preparedness would have some contingencies for such scenarios.

At least this way you get to pick the general mindset of your neighbors unlike just moving to anywhere BF USA

So these guys want freedom, and in order to achieve that, they are going to live behind thick walls?

Seems to me they need to look up the definition of freedom.

As I further poked around I see their prices aren't too bad by the month so who is investinf in the front end then you have to pay by the month for how long or FOREVER! HUMMM didn't really look too bad till someone decides there needs to be 1 supreme leader. I don't see it going too far if all they have is 20 acres and a plan.