Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress

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posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by MrSpad
Anytime a group decides to close themselves off from the rest of society and indoctrinates its community, arms itself and declares they are patriots, you know it is not gonna end well just like most cults.

This is exactly how America started. Broke off from England, indoctrination with republic based constitution, armed itself, and declared themselves patriots......

......and now you're telling me America is a cult? Hypocritical are we?




posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by dominicus

Originally posted by MrSpad
Anytime a group decides to close themselves off from the rest of society and indoctrinates its community, arms itself and declares they are patriots, you know it is not gonna end well just like most cults.

This is exactly how America started. Broke off from England, indoctrination with republic based constitution, armed itself, and declared themselves patriots......

......and now you're telling me America is a cult? Hypocritical are we?


Sorry, but that's a tad simplistic. The reality was far, far more complicated than that.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by mikell
Lotsa luck but never going to happen requires too much money. My buddy has over 10k acres in the Kentucky Tennessee area that he can't give away people offering 10$ an acre but he won't sell for less than 100$


Ill take a couple hundred acres..................



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by dominicus

Originally posted by MrSpad
Anytime a group decides to close themselves off from the rest of society and indoctrinates its community, arms itself and declares they are patriots, you know it is not gonna end well just like most cults.

This is exactly how America started. Broke off from England, indoctrination with republic based constitution, armed itself, and declared themselves patriots......

......and now you're telling me America is a cult? Hypocritical are we?


Sorry, but that's a tad simplistic. The reality was far, far more complicated than that.

Not really simplistic, just condensed. It is exactly what happened.

The future of the U.S. will be the addition of a third major party based on freedom and the constitution, and major areas of the country converging together based on constitution/freedom. It's the natural evolution politically, considering our only other option is corporate/banker owned socialism which what is what we have now.

Its a matter of time, and going to happen no matter what



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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it could certainly be argued that patriotism was turned into a cult and we see that on ATS now, where some are unable to separate criticism of american foreign policy and it's ruling elite (etc etc) from attacks on the people or the land. there is also the mythologising of the founding of the nation as part of nation building which some feel the need to blindly defend rather than debate (not aimed at all at you, this is general comment) - it's not new ofc and most if not all nations have it by the bucketload, it's just more glaring when it is so relatively recent.

EDIT: my meaning being that this is used as a method of controlling the mindset and perceptions of an increasing exploited populace

edit on 13-1-2013 by skalla because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:01 PM
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Wow fun Idea,. But for all the reasons for the above and also..
Too close to Yellowstone for me..



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress



A group of like-minded patriots, bound together by pride in American exceptionalism, plan on building an armed community to protect their liberty.

According to the Citadel website, Rightful Liberty means that "neighbors keep their noses out of other neighbors' business, that neighbors live and let liv


Thanks for posting Prof. I read a number of the comments posted, but honestly did not go through all 5 pages. However I did read the link to the article, went and looked at the groups application and faqs pages.

I'm not particularly troubled with the concept. Actually surprised that something like this hasn't happened more recently. People can choose to do what they wish and live where they want to, its as simple as that.

If no laws are being broken either locally or federally (constitution, which they say they will live by), I see absolutely no objection to anyone who wishes to do so.

With that said, they are in the early stages of preparing and even state although Idaho is where they are looking to build this neighborhood, they haven't fully commited to that - that is noted in their FAQ's link. So, much yet to be determined and understood.

It is interesting, but some alarms go off about the isolation and what other potential restrictions 'may' occur. So the jury is still out. Personally, the concept does not appeal to me because of the 'militia' lifestyle they endorse, but I could see where this could be appealing to others.

We'll just have to wait and see if this really flies or fades away, but interesting all the same.

Peace!! ID



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:12 PM
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This group isn't about Exceptionalism it's about Exclusivism. You have to be pretty blind not to realize that it's the differences that makes Democracy such a great thing, the unwillingness to allow anyone who thinks differently within their walls is exactly the opposite of that, such a thing is called nationalist socialism with a practice of moral absolutism.

Remember Nazi Germany? That's exactly what they believed in. They were a populace blinded by pride, who had so much patriotism that they couldn't tell right from wrong. Narrow minded fools.

That's exactly what these people are. Idiots.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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Cult members give their assets to the cult. Hence the donation form immediately below the story. They want to get you donating right away.
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You're really hung up on this donation thing, aren't you. I have already addressed it. BTW, how much do you DONATE to the US Treasury in the form of "TAXES"?



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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Neat idea but I don't see how it would be any freer than living elsewhere in Amerika. Taxes would still have to be paid, property, county, state and federal regardless if you opted out of the use of their "services".

The Amish still have to declare income and pay property/county taxes.

The laws of the State and Federal Government would still apply; if you bartered or sold eggs/milk to your neighbors they can swoop in. The EPA can stop by and enforce whatever codes exist... Any federal gun laws would still exist and be enforceable by law.

There is nowhere to escape in Amerika from the tax man and the long arm of the law.

The people are somehow inexorably and permanently bound by the assent of their forefathers to a federal government without recourse - forced into a binding contract upon birth of taxation in exchange for entitlements and restrictions.

I personally do not see how a contract entered into by the people alive 200 years ago is binding upon me in perpetuity just because I happen to be born here.

I personally think another constitutional convention is long past overdue in which the people can choose to continue to remain part of the Union or not. Perhaps with some changes, to the documents and stipulations and conditions for the continuance of the contract.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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I haven't seen a single shred of evidence or intention that this or any other planned community has a "submit your wife, money, children and family as homage to the president of the property owners association" clause. Nor is there a "Worship the community founder as a god." requirement in the deed restrictions.
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Thank you.
FINALLY, I have found an honest man that is addressing what IS written and proposed, rather than what scared people THINK it will become.
Thanks again for common sense and reason. At least there are still a few rational posters on ATS.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:22 PM
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This community will be male dominated and not many women will want to live in that type of commune. Gonna be a bunch of horney old farts sittin around polishing their guns.
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You would be surprised at the number women that are training with our free militias.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Did I read that right? 100$?

I just sold 1 acre for 20,000$ last year. Remote location.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Big forts make big targets and their Citadel will look mighty nice to the targeting system of a UAV Bomber or even a manned one, if it pushed that far .... Although, of course, it would never have to. Fixed positions are vulnerable to one thing. They need things from outside their own outer wall and/or need to get rid of things. Get's them every time and it sounds great for symbolism ...EXPENSIVE symbolism ... but not much in real security, IMO.

Half the trick in being secure is no one knowing there ought to be a target there in the first place, IMO.


Well if it comes to the point of UAV's etc any neighborhood is just as vulnerable and all bets are off. In the meantime it would be nice to live in a community of like minded individuals and of course if things got so bad that you were in fear of UAV or other extreme attack then I am sure like minded folks who believe in preparedness would have some contingencies for such scenarios.

At least this way you get to pick the general mindset of your neighbors unlike just moving to anywhere BF USA



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:32 PM
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So these guys want freedom, and in order to achieve that, they are going to live behind thick walls?

Seems to me they need to look up the definition of freedom.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:33 PM
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so what about it being a xenophobic, badly thought-out idiotsville that is a flag bearer for all that is worst about the US?
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You win the contest for the most name-calling in a thread that I asked people to be respectful in. You may disagree with the concept, but try to use grown-up words if they are in your vocabulary.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:39 PM
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TeYep. Just like tens of thousands of existing communities all over the US. The POA can auction your home in most planned communities dues or coverage of fees for simple infractions. Are they all cults? xt
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My good friend.,you are absolutely correct, We unfortunately live in one of those communities, and I can tell you that their laws are more restrictive than the OP concept I posted. In FACT, many of the restrictions are actually violations of the Bill of Rights, but who can afford a lawyer to CONTEST them, especially when the City/Town we live in, encourages these HOA's because it obviates the need for the City/Town to enforce their laws, since the HOA's laws are more restrictive. For those that say "Why did you move to a HOA controlled community? Simple answer. There are virtually no non-HOA communities left in our state, as the builders and cities work hand-in-hand in this criminal-like enterprise.
Again, thanks for bringing common sense in a sea of nonsense.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:41 PM
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Its gonna be really funny when these poorly educated people start facing the 3rd world problems of their 3rd world fantasy bunker.
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Who said these people are poorly educated? You make assumptions with no facts to back them up.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:42 PM
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As I further poked around I see their prices aren't too bad by the month so who is investinf in the front end then you have to pay by the month for how long or FOREVER! HUMMM didn't really look too bad till someone decides there needs to be 1 supreme leader. I don't see it going too far if all they have is 20 acres and a plan.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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So gun owners who believe in adhereing to the constitution, believe in good solid education free of indoctrination......who believe in family values, and less gov control is the WORST about the US?
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I'm glad that there is another enlightened soul on this thread. The swamp is full of alligators, and it's getting hard to drain the swamp.





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