First, before anything else, I totally support the right of people to do this if they want. Just want to make that clear.


But I have to be honest - I have been so entertained reading about this because my husband and I invented this place!!! Only we called it "Gunland." And now someone actually wants to build it?!! I cannot believe it. My mythical gunland may be becoming a reality.

I hope everyone read the The Patriot Agreement. The Patriot Agreement states that you have to own guns plus a minimum amount of ammo to live there - or you're out. You have to prove you can shoot at least once a year, you have to teach your children to shoot, you have to stockpile at least a year's worth of supplies, you have to celebrate Patriot's Day... or you're out. The only real "violation" that I can see is not owning a gun. So this is about creating a 100% gun culture. I see vague statements about "Liberty" and "American Exceptionalism" (????) but the whole focus is on guns. I could not have written the template for my Gunland better if I tried.

I am not saying they should not be allowed to have this - in fact I'd be much happier having people of this mindset grouped together safely behind their own version of the Berlin Wall - but I feel a bit like there is no way this can be real. This is a bad joke I made that has come to life. People really believe guns are this important. I am speechless. But go ahead and do what you like....behind that wall. I'm real big on that wall. Please build the wall.

Hope this gets off the ground. Really curious to watch. From faaar faaar away....

It's a shame that OP came into this with his mind already made up about it. I think a lot more interesting discussions could have happened if comments were met with a thoughtful nod and an 'I see your point but don't necessarily agree because of ___' instead of everyone that disagreed being called disinformation government spies.

Personally, I think it would be cool to live in an underground bunker, like on the show Eureka.

That being said, I think instead of running away from what the founders of the fortress are considering to be the problem, they should be staying in their communities and setting good examples.

Keeping your nose out of your neighbor's business is their definition of liberty?... look away when you see a man punching his wife or children?, who will tell men in this community that they need to pay child support?, not step in when you see neighbor kids drowning a kitten in a bucket of water?

We need neighbors. We need neighbors that don't think exactly like we do. If my whole street thought exactly like me who knows what kind of crazy stuff we'd eventually get up to, cut off from the rest of society, feeding off each other with our conspiracy theories and agoraphobia.

I see the main difference between the fortress in idaho idea and regular gated communities is that the government freely comes and goes in the gated communites. I can picture the fortress wanting to restrict that. I can see that causing problems for the residents.


Also, I need to add that after a few years of hiding in a fortress and being told that anyone outside the walls wants to kill you or strip you of your rights, what happens to women and children that the patriarchs of the families eventually reject? Such as divorce or kicking out grown children? Just shove them out the gate into the world they've been brain-washed or raised into believing wants them dead? I think abused women would be afraid to leave their husbands and children would have very poor footing for setting out into the work force and society in general.

This community that puts so much emphasis on staying out of each others business, live and let live, and freedom sure has a lot of rules. Why would I have to own a gun or teach my kids to use one? Seem to me that you would be trading one overlord for another.

Originally posted by PrincessTofu
It's a shame that OP came into this with his mind already made up about it. I think a lot more interesting discussions could have happened if comments were met with a thoughtful nod and an 'I see your point but don't necessarily agree because of ___' instead of everyone that disagreed being called disinformation government spies.

Personally, I think it would be cool to live in an underground bunker, like on the show Eureka.

That being said, I think instead of running away from what the founders of the fortress are considering to be the problem, they should be staying in their communities and setting good examples.

Keeping your nose out of your neighbor's business is their definition of liberty?... look away when you see a man punching his wife or children?, who will tell men in this community that they need to pay child support?, not step in when you see neighbor kids drowning a kitten in a bucket of water?

We need neighbors. We need neighbors that don't think exactly like we do. If my whole street thought exactly like me who knows what kind of crazy stuff we'd eventually get up to, cut off from the rest of society, feeding off each other with our conspiracy theories and agoraphobia.

I see the main difference between the fortress in idaho idea and regular gated communities is that the government freely comes and goes in the gated communites. I can picture the fortress wanting to restrict that. I can see that causing problems for the residents.

edit on 14-1-2013 by PrincessTofu because: typo

Also, I need to add that after a few years of hiding in a fortress and being told that anyone outside the walls wants to kill you or strip you of your rights, what happens to women and children that the patriarchs of the families eventually reject? Such as divorce or kicking out grown children? Just shove them out the gate into the world they've been brain-washed or raised into believing wants them dead? I think abused women would be afraid to leave their husbands and children would have very poor footing for setting out into the work force and society in general.

edit on 14-1-2013 by PrincessTofu because: (no reason given)

100% agree with this. One of the statements in the article mentioned that they will educate children, not indoctrinate them. Baloney...training kids to use guns, making people own guns, Patriot Day, setting the place up like a military compound. The whole thing reeks of indoctrination. Indoctrination to an ideology that makes most people very uncomfortable. I guess its only that when the message doesn't support this guy's twisted world views.

I did spend the time to check these folks out and their ideas are admirable. However, they want to build an expensive compound right next to one of the biggest volcanoes on the planet which is now overdue to go off. Doesn't this strike you as lacking a little common sense as well as logic? It does me. My best,

Originally posted by airforce47
I did spend the time to check these folks out and their ideas are admirable. However, they want to build an expensive compound right next to one of the biggest volcanoes on the planet which is now overdue to go off. Doesn't this strike you as lacking a little common sense as well as logic? It does me. My best,

Since you put it like that.. I'm not hating the idea. Where do I donate?

I'm sorry, that was unkind of me. I apologize. I do not wish these people any ill will, just prosperity and happiness.

Interesting about the volcano, though.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh yes! I just moved out of a place like that. Same thing, Christmas lights had to be off the porch or house by Jan 15. They would cite your property and send notices, and would fine. That was just one thing. They also could limit how many objects you have on your porch, how tall the plants could be, what kind of plants you put in the garden areas, they could cite you for not having enough mulch, for the lawn being too high, for patchy areas of grass not growing properly, or for having non-natural planting materials. Well you couldnt put rocks or gravel, though rocks are natural but they meant you cant put materials that do not biodegrade. No rubber mulches or anything like that, and no edging either. They could cite you for having faded siding too. When repainting the color had to be approved.


Yet when I complained my neighbors were leaving giant metal rods in my yard behind the garage they said they can't help me but I could get it hauled out at my expense.

Oh yah and my neighbors WERE letting their dogs pee on my bushes.

And absolutely none of this is about any mythical U.N. "Sustainable development" (actual sustanainable development people are pretty laid back about aesthetics if you're well-meaning and trying to do something decent), and every bit about this is in the name of preserving the holy of holy 'property values'.

These types are very much anti "sustainable development" and hate people who have the gall to use their own land for something useful like growing healthy food instead of duplicating high-water and high-fertilizer consumption identical corporate gardens.

Just had a thought...since the Mayan bubble burst, I bet you can buy delux 2012 bunkers for a steal, fix 'em up and flip 'em to meet the emerging 2nd amendment bunker boom. I'm sure most amenities would overlap between the two scenarios, so it'd be easy. ....next time on "Property Virgins"