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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Philippines
I answered quite directly. Those reactors are 40 years old. The age of a design, and the age of a product are two very different things. Calling something a pipe dream is really just saying you don't want to take any risks.
In which case, keep with coal. There's no risks there.
Other countries are building these things. If you want to remain on 19th century technology, that's your choice.edit on 19-1-2013 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by FyreByrd
You are absolutely correct, yet completely irrelevant to what we are talking about. Not all radiation is equal. Neutron radiation of higher fluxes can cause structural defects (thats what your link talks about), but it is only present in a working reactor (both fission and fusion). Nuclear waste is not critical, it emits only alpha, beta, and gamma radiation. Alpha and beta can be shielded with a few mm of aluminium. The only radiation which would impact external (structural) concrete is gamma radiation. Gammas do not pose a problem for concrete.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by FyreByrd
Sources were given. You ignored them. Why give them again?
Yes China actually. And Russia. And Japan. And England. And Norway. And India. Even Israel. Hell, even the Czechs.
Like it or not, they are getting built. There's a reason why.
China has committed itself to establishing an entirely new nuclear energy programme using thorium as a fuel, within 20 years.
A private company founded by Kazuo Furukawa, designer of the Fuju reactor, called International Thorium Energy & Molen-Salt Technology Inc (iThEMS) aims to produce a small (10MW) reactor within five years. Furukawa is aiming for a retail price of 11 US cents per kWh (6.8p per kWh).
At a press conference at KEIDANREN, an industry organisation with members such as Toyota, Toshiba and Hitachi, IThEMS unveiled their plans to build the world's first commercial Thorium Molten-Salt Reactor (Th-MSR) power generator.
Within three years, an Israeli scientist and his American research partner plan to develop a cost-effective self-sustaining nuclear reactor.
Dozens of scientists at work on thorium, an alternative to uranium
Do some research. Thorium reactors could never replace nuke plants because they need nuke plants to feed them.
Would you be willing to live within 50 miles of Fukushima?
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Philippines
That's exactly my point. It's being simultaneously built world wide.
Do you know what that means? Consensis.
A dozen countries wouldn't be racing to build these things if they didn't have invested interest and minimum risks.
And I know you like acting nice, but you really can't hide the fact that you are ignoring what I said.
60s Designs are not 60s. Products
Nor is age alone a determining factor to indicate bad design. It is, however, a determining factor in antique for **built**things and **produced** products.edit on 19-1-2013 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)edit on 19-1-2013 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)edit on 19-1-2013 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)
Fukushima was a 1970s reactor design. Not a 2010's reactor design.
I meant: Although radioactivity from an operating coal plant is weak at any one moment in time, it’s greater in quantity (owing to its constant production throughout the lifetime of a coal plant) and more widely dispersed (owing to its release in all weathers). Nuclear in contrast (when it goes wrong) tends to contaminate a much smaller area (owing in part to not being flushed up, purpose built chimneys) but far more intensely.
intrptr You make stuff up as you go?
"Totally but mildy"
"Few areas intensely".
This does nothing to change the fact that combined death toll of all worldwide nuclear accidents, is less than those killed in year from burning coal. In the U.S alone (never mind China & India) coal kills up to 30,000 www.ecomall.com... whilst Chernobyl killed around 20,000-30,000 spectrum.ieee.org...
Read that Operating Nuclear Power plants. Not ones that frigging exploded and melted down. Before you call people insane look at your own backyard.
Originally posted by Liberal1984
Aircooled When you post stuff like “millions will die from Fukushima” does it even ever occur to you, that this is probably propaganda?
Would Japan (for instance) (almost two years on) not be suffering massive hair loss, whitening of their yellow skin, ect?
It’s clear the anti nuclear lobby is telling far more lie’s than Tokyo electric ever did. This is because by being composed of so many unregulated people, and with it essentially being all a sensationalism contest, there is nothing to limit the self-deception which is going on.
But the fact the Japanese are not dropping off like flies, there are no mass graves, indicates that stuff about radiation being high thousands of miles away (in America) is mostly BS. There may have been a few hot particles that made it over the Pacific but very, very, few of them and very well spaced apart.edit on 090705 by Liberal1984 because: (no reason given)
His last post before your reply, only repeated the words “Millions will DIE from Fukushima NRC Cover-Up” 4 times!
Philippines Can you please quote Aircooled saying "millions will die from Fukushima"? I went through the thread and didn't find it anywhere.
I’m not even arguing that. I’m merely pointing out that coal is responsible for far more death, and environmental damage (per unit of electricity) than nuclear. That till fracking gas, and oil have also stopped causing more trouble than nuclear, nuclear remains (if only by default) a good form of energy. I’m not saying it doesn’t kill people. Water kills people. But it’s the least worst mainstream option. I’m not saying there aren’t nicer options like wind-solar, but the fact is the German electricity price is nearly the British electricity price
Well then, why don't you go and start a thread called "Radioactive Fallout Is Harmless",
Originally posted by Liberal1984
His last post before your reply, only repeated the words “Millions will DIE from Fukushima NRC Cover-Up” 4 times!
Philippines Can you please quote Aircooled saying "millions will die from Fukushima"? I went through the thread and didn't find it anywhere.
So: “Should have gone to Speck Savers” then! Perhaps whoever starred from post, also needs to go easy on their vodka.