Spy agency ASIO wants powers to hack into personal computers

page: 3
20
<< 1  2    4 >>

log in

join

posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:31 PM
link   
hmmm

they have already hacked computers

they have found something...that they now want to use ...

but cant because its illegal

thats why


they are obviously doing it....but cant capitalize.....due to the law




peace




posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 05:56 PM
link   

Originally posted by mc4denmark
reply to post by twitchy
 


I dont think the power company have tech that could infiltrate your computer (unless its very unsecure with no password, updates or firewall) But I do know that they cant park a van close to your perimeter, where they can intercept the magnetic output from your display and then they can see whatever you see on your monitor, although I dont know if this still works with LCD screens.


They could do it with old fashioned CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) TVs because of the VERY high voltages generated by the line output transformer needed to control the electron beam across the tube.If you held a transistor radio or any other portable audio device next to one and heard a buzz that got louder the closer you got to the TV,this is the output from the line o/p transfomer.It's this which the men in black sitting in a van outside your house could pick up (they had to be RIGHT outside because it didn't have much range) and via a few other magic electronic bits could feed the signal back into a monitor and get a very bad and noisey version of what ever was on your computer monitor or TV screen.It really wasn't all that good because of how the signal quickly degrades with distance (inverse square law at work here) and was only good enough to be able to read some of what was on your screen at the time at very low resolution.
I doubt if LCD or AMOLED or similar screens would emit anything more than few inches away,if at all.They use logic voltages (at a guess 5 volts or less) and wouldn't be decoded to drive the display until they actually got there.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 06:08 PM
link   
Australia is already a dictatorship, mining companies own this country and removed Kevin Rudd from power because of his "Mining tax", now we have an undemocratically elected prime minister who has created several new taxes on the middle class whilst the big corporations are protected....


A few facts about Australia;

*First country whose citizens were disarmed since WW2

*1 in 8 Australians live in poverty = 2.2 million

*Australia is the only Western nation without a Bill Of Rights.


Australia needs revolution badly..



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 06:10 PM
link   

Originally posted by jasonl1983

That's icing on the cake. Technological advancement has separated man from his natural environment and diminished his understanding of it. The people with the closest connection to the Earth are those still living the way their ancestors did hundreds of years ago - indigenous jungle dwellers and such.


And, if everybody had followed their innovative ways, we wouldn't be here having this discussion and possessing the ability to explore the entire world - not just one person's little neck of the forest, woods, jungle, plain - with just a few finger prods on a keyboard. Ok, observation isn't the same as experience, but there are some experiences you don't need to have to get a sense of their effect on the individuals involved.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 06:37 PM
link   
Considering the gov't doesn't stop crime and the police only ever control the population by creating an aversion to doing whatever is deemed illegal; The police have a huge scope for corruption. The stated aims are very sensitive and even if they are proved necessary, the onus is upon the "terrorist" to prove innocence and whatever he/she goes through, had better have a reasonable explanation. It's about being accountable.

I think ASIO already has all these things in place and I don't know what it means to make spying on phones and PC's open to 3rd party scrutiny easier? I think I know where this is headed but I don't think that we're facing a loss of rights. The targets will be announced at first and later the powers will be routine and used ordinarily.

It would be fair if all people's records were held accountable. Some people would become honest!



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 07:38 PM
link   
No, they are probably already hacking, they just want permission to make it public and official. Some part of me thinks, if they can't manage to understand how to hack on their own, it's going to be hell for citizens if they get some hacking-toys to play with.

Why doesn't one of their national standards group over technology have automatic government backdoors on computers in Australia like they do in other countries? I figure companies like Microsoft has government backdoors, have had for a long time, in the US. If they can't go through the wires, they can go through the air with van eck watching, like the US military does.

It's going to make keeping business secrets secret for the sake of maintaining that blind-as-competitive economy and technology forecast nearly impossible for small investors and inventors. All international spy agencies suck up and use everything they can reach, robbing from the smart poor and giving to their own dumb rich. It's discouraging to try to promote nation-supporting behavior when there's an eat-everything computer group roaming the digital streets. Governments are setting business back with all these agency access points, globally.

Some days I just want to write my company secrets down on a scroll, hide them in a sealed jar in a cave in a desert somewhere to make sure they are safe.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 08:47 PM
link   
Why would they need to do this in Austrailia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Australia hasn't had any terrorist attacks, have they? At least in the U.S. and Europe there is reason to use the "to get the terrorists" line, but Australia? Seems they could think of a better excuse.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 09:04 PM
link   

Originally posted by dave_welch
Why would they need to do this in Austrailia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Australia hasn't had any terrorist attacks, have they? At least in the U.S. and Europe there is reason to use the "to get the terrorists" line, but Australia? Seems they could think of a better excuse.


You are correct, there have been no terrorist attacks in Australia, however, there has been aboout 17 or 20 terrorist plots that were foiled.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 09:29 PM
link   
business secrets being taken by the highest bidder is a scary taught. It's annoying how police already like to educate themselves about honest business secrets. It gives them an easy road to undeserved gain and corruption.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 09:42 PM
link   
reply to post by OpenSky
 


Even still, I think people are getting tired of the "terrorist in the closet" stories.



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 10:03 PM
link   

Originally posted by Nuker
Eh. They don't need the powers to hack personal computers, they already do it.
edit on 13-1-2013 by Nuker because: (no reason given)


What they want just like here in the states is retroactive immunity .....



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 10:10 PM
link   

Originally posted by Imagewerx

Originally posted by mc4denmark
reply to post by twitchy
 


I dont think the power company have tech that could infiltrate your computer (unless its very unsecure with no password, updates or firewall) But I do know that they cant park a van close to your perimeter, where they can intercept the magnetic output from your display and then they can see whatever you see on your monitor, although I dont know if this still works with LCD screens.


They could do it with old fashioned CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) TVs because of the VERY high voltages generated by the line output transformer needed to control the electron beam across the tube.If you held a transistor radio or any other portable audio device next to one and heard a buzz that got louder the closer you got to the TV,this is the output from the line o/p transfomer.It's this which the men in black sitting in a van outside your house could pick up (they had to be RIGHT outside because it didn't have much range) and via a few other magic electronic bits could feed the signal back into a monitor and get a very bad and noisey version of what ever was on your computer monitor or TV screen.It really wasn't all that good because of how the signal quickly degrades with distance (inverse square law at work here) and was only good enough to be able to read some of what was on your screen at the time at very low resolution.
I doubt if LCD or AMOLED or similar screens would emit anything more than few inches away,if at all.They use logic voltages (at a guess 5 volts or less) and wouldn't be decoded to drive the display until they actually got there.


I don't know about Australia but if you look at the mesh network created by "smart electric meters" there is almost nowhere that the gov can not spy on you. If you look at cable tv networks there is another readily available electronic entryway into your home. Of course the video camera and microphone chips in VCRs back in the day are all over Yuotube. Today DVD players, game system and other electronic appliances offer easy digital spying.
edit on 13-1-2013 by fnpmitchreturns because: add



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 10:27 PM
link   
Sydney Hilton bombing

On 13 February 1978, a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel in Sydney, which was hosting the first Commonwealth Heads of Government Regional Meeting. Two garbage collectors and a police officer were killed and eleven others were injured. As a result of the bombing, ASIO's powers and budget were greatly expanded. It was also a motivation for the formation of the Australian Federal Police.

www.abc.net.au...


Apparently there is some conspiracy around this bombing, ASIO created to gain power and funding perhaps.
edit on 13-1-2013 by Strainz because: Yeh



posted on Jan, 13 2013 @ 11:22 PM
link   

Originally posted by Strainz
Sydney Hilton bombing

On 13 February 1978, a bomb exploded outside the Hilton Hotel in Sydney, which was hosting the first Commonwealth Heads of Government Regional Meeting. Two garbage collectors and a police officer were killed and eleven others were injured. As a result of the bombing, ASIO's powers and budget were greatly expanded. It was also a motivation for the formation of the Australian Federal Police.

www.abc.net.au...


Apparently there is some conspiracy around this bombing, ASIO created to gain power and funding perhaps.
edit on 13-1-2013 by Strainz because: Yeh


That's entirely possible, but there is no evidence to suggest it is the case. Just like there is no evidence to suggest that the agency in question was overjoyed at the events of September 11, 2001 in New York because it gave them some relevance. Those years between the fall of the Soviet Union and the Global War on Terrorism must have been terrible - budget cuts, slap dash funding... now they have a blank cheque and they are going to use it just as they have been for the past decade, secretly and in the shadows - away from the glare of the news media and well and truly out of the public consciousness.

I for one welcome our new A>S>I>O overlords. It's about time you people all stopped whingeing about privacy (haha) and liberty (LOL) and freedom (ROFL). This is the way it has to be. We are under continuing threat from the terrorists and if a few people get their animal porn fetish exposed in the process of our heroic government security forces meeting said threat, then so be it. If you don't like it then go move to Waziristan with all bin Laden's mates, because you're unAustralian..

Besides, A>S>I>O might be wanting all this access to support their CT investigations, but the D>S>D already has access to anything they want.

I knew that connecting my Samsung Galaxy III phone to my google account and using my gmail address to set up Apple ID for my Ipad 2, then connecting them to my PC and my Macbook with dropbox was a bad idea. I have nothing to hide. if A>S>I>O wants info on me, then they can have it - all they need to do is subpoena Apple for my voiceprint from Siri and then access all my files and photos from the cloud. We'll throw in my Safari browsing history for good measure. Gotta go work out how to delete all that porn, brb...



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 02:21 AM
link   

Originally posted by nothingwrong

Originally posted by Nuker
reply to post by Imagewerx
 


Apparently. When you delete a photo, it doesn't get completely removed from your hard drive. Although it's no longer on your computer, the data is still there inside your hard drive. If they were looking for a deleted photo, they would need to personally access your computer system from your house.


Not true - you can have full remote access to any computer. With that access it is easy to run some disk scans or delted files.

If you can't tell that your computer is running a data recovery process by the massive resources it consumes , then you should not own a computer .
East-Tec Eraser lets you wipe slack space without loosing critical data.



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 02:54 AM
link   
thanks alot america, this is all you

we just love all the crazy policies that your idiotic government forces onto other countries.

well done



and you still want to know why the world hates you?



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 04:28 AM
link   

Originally posted by jasonl1983

Originally posted by mc4denmark
reply to post by jasonl1983
 


Sure, but those people are either communicating


Sure, those people are communicating with cyber friends while ignoring the possibility of more fulfilling face-to-face interaction.




playing games which train their brain in various ways


And what useful skill does one develop sinking hours into "Angry Birds"





Without our technological advancement, I don't think we would have gained such understandings of our environment and surroundings.


That's icing on the cake. Technological advancement has separated man from his natural environment and diminished his understanding of it. The people with the closest connection to the Earth are those still living the way their ancestors did hundreds of years ago - indigenous jungle dwellers and such.



Why does it have to be cyber friends? Normally people tend to communicate with their IRL friends over the phone, that you are able to contact people all over the world instantly is just an upgrade to our normal ways of communication. People are not zombies and unable to have a conversation with you just because they can use a computer or a phone to chat and talk with other persons.

Sooo, everyone is playing angry birds now? There are lot of games that stimulate your brain in various way, and no matter what you think, angry birds also helps your brain build new connections.




A new study from the Archives of Neurology says playing brain stimulating games can improve your memory and delay or prevent the onset of Alzheimer's disease. Traditional brain games are scientifically designed to boost cognitive activity and enhance memory.



For your last opinion, I don't think you are completely right in this one, it is the industrial revolution that has taken our freedom and connection to our nature, but humans, nature and technology could easily live in harmony.



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 04:43 AM
link   

Originally posted by JewAgainstZionism
reply to post by mc4denmark
 


I gotta tell you, your avatar picture is one of the most meaningful on the entire ATS

maybe even more meaning full than you realize, regardless of who made the circle

NOW

lets get to this topic

Anyone who thinks Government is not already getting into
people's computers is not very informed

Here is a guy (a Canadian which means their government does the same thing)

Tells you how they do it

Complete Guide to Government Surveillance and Technology 2012
govspyinyourhome.blog.com...


Thank you very much
I can not say that I can grasp the full meaning of this symbol, my mathematics skill is not even close to comprehend all the sacred geometries and important formulas you can find from this symbol - but I know it is very important ! And to my believe the closest thing we know of that tells us the meaning of life.

A funny side note, this symbol is actually the catalysis for my ongoing believe and interest in spirituality and why we are here


Back to the computer topic.

I don't think the government have backdoors installed in all computers, one of the reasons I believe this is because that some OS have open sourcecodes for anyone to view, and there are thousands of dedicated computer enthusiast out there watching the codes.

Now I could be wrong, but I have not seen anyone proof me wrong about this.

About their surveillance of data packets, I think we are secure for a while, since I don't believe they are able to crack AES256 yet, but at some point, they probably will be.



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 04:46 AM
link   

Originally posted by jazzguy
thanks alot america, this is all you

we just love all the crazy policies that your idiotic government forces onto other countries.

well done



and you still want to know why the world hates you?


Where are you from Jazzguy ?

I am from Denmark, our government are not much better than the US, and my people are sleeping. Are you sure your country should be pointing fingers at others too?



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 04:52 AM
link   

Originally posted by Imagewerx

Originally posted by mc4denmark
reply to post by twitchy
 


I dont think the power company have tech that could infiltrate your computer (unless its very unsecure with no password, updates or firewall) But I do know that they cant park a van close to your perimeter, where they can intercept the magnetic output from your display and then they can see whatever you see on your monitor, although I dont know if this still works with LCD screens.


They could do it with old fashioned CRT (Cathode Ray Tube) TVs because of the VERY high voltages generated by the line output transformer needed to control the electron beam across the tube.If you held a transistor radio or any other portable audio device next to one and heard a buzz that got louder the closer you got to the TV,this is the output from the line o/p transfomer.It's this which the men in black sitting in a van outside your house could pick up (they had to be RIGHT outside because it didn't have much range) and via a few other magic electronic bits could feed the signal back into a monitor and get a very bad and noisey version of what ever was on your computer monitor or TV screen.It really wasn't all that good because of how the signal quickly degrades with distance (inverse square law at work here) and was only good enough to be able to read some of what was on your screen at the time at very low resolution.
I doubt if LCD or AMOLED or similar screens would emit anything more than few inches away,if at all.They use logic voltages (at a guess 5 volts or less) and wouldn't be decoded to drive the display until they actually got there.



I've noticed your post sometimes now, and damn, you got your facts straight !
You should open a website or something






top topics



 
20
<< 1  2    4 >>

log in

join