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Originally posted by Bedlam
Originally posted by MirajI don't get your pregnancy related argument, since pregnancy is not a communicable disease.
I don't know, my old lady caught it from me, twice. Apparently I'm a carrier.
It is most definitely an overstep of employers to mandate vaccination. Are they taking responsibility for and adverse reactions?
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
If you don't want a vaccine, that's your right. It's also you're right to work elsewhere.
I'll say this though... If my elderly mother were a patient where she got the flu by a medical employee that was on some little crusade against vaccines? I'd insure she was well taken care of by the settlement on the law suit....and if she didn't survive the infection..I'd be retiring on what I did to the medical facility and that employee as personally as the law could make it for them.
Really.. When working around sick people? Follow the policies or find work elsewhere. It seems a simple thing to me.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Violater1
Unfortuantley when you were born you mother forcefully vaccinated you with the immunitys gained through her blood.
Of course this is never 100% many babies get sick directly after birth because the natural vaccination they recieved didnt cover every virus.
Dont let logic or facts get in the way of your doomtarding, carry on.
Lasting neuropathological changes in rat brain after intermittent neonatal administration of thimerosal.
Thimerosal, an organomercurial added as a preservative to some vaccines, is a suspected iatrogenic factor, possibly contributing to paediatric neurodevelopmental disorders including autism. We examined the effects of early postnatal administration of thimerosal (four i.m. injections, 12 or 240 μg THIM-Hg/kg, on postnatal days 7, 9, 11 and 15) on brain pathology in Wistar rats. Numerous neuropathological changes were observed in young adult rats which were treated postnatally with thimerosal. They included: ischaemic degeneration of neurons and "dark" neurons in the prefrontal and temporal cortex, the hippocampus and the cerebellum, pathological changes of the blood vessels in the temporal cortex, diminished synaptophysin reaction in the hippocampus, atrophy of astroglia in the hippocampus and cerebellum, and positive caspase-3 reaction in Bergmann astroglia. These findings document neurotoxic effects of thimerosal, at doses equivalent to those used in infant vaccines or higher, in developing rat brain, suggesting likely involvement of this mercurial in neurodevelopmental disorders.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Violater1
Somehow I just can’t wrap my head around the reasoning for this rant. By your same reasoning your next rant could be applied to those in the medical field having to wash their hands. Sorry no dice on this topic you are way off base and if you had your way it would put others’ lives in jeopardy.
Originally posted by NiteNGale2
Originally posted by Raxoxane
reply to post by NiteNGale2
But would wearing masks,and putting on disposable gloves between tending to different patients,not be as effective,or more? Im just thinking that any nurse or doc could be incubating Anything,like meningitis,chickenpox(i was 24 when i first got it),the common cold,mumps,other sicknesses.Thats just as risky around already sick people.
Yes. There is what is called the prodromal period when a person is ill but not showing any symptoms. That is a very real risk. People can infect others even if they feel and appear healthy. Nursing students have to provide inoculation records or medical records showing treatment for the major communicable diseases that aren't often seen nowadays because of successful vaccination programs. Blood tests can be used to show if antibodies are present for those whose records are lacking or are able to relate information about having a specific communicable illness. The flu strains vary and mutate year to year so there are years when the vaccine isn't as effective as one would hope.
Masks and gloves are a very important part of preventing infection. But, they are generally used when a patient has an infection that highly communicable or of a bacterial variety that is resistant to antibiotics. Masks, gloves, plastic gowns, foot covers and face shields may be used to protect the staff from the patients infection...
Gosh. I realized that blathering about precautions. And, that isn't the point.
The point is, you did mention illnesses that just aren't that common in the average healthy adult population that is the health-care field in the US. Possible but just not likely.
Flu is very, very likely though. I do have the right to say that I'm willing to accept the personal risk to my health by refusing the flu vaccine but I sure as heck don't have the right to force the consequences of my decision onto a patient.edit on 13-1-2013 by NiteNGale2 because: wrong word!
Do Not speak for me. If I want to provide the public with incompetent, erroneous or reckless disinformation, I'll be deficient enough to do it myself, thank-you.
Responsible and prudent nurses will willingly get vaccinated.
Gosh. I realized that blathering about precautions.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I was in an doctors office recently and there was a sign saying any employee that could not get a flu shot would be wearing a mask on their fsce to avoid contracting the flu from patients
it's a simple solution
would you object to that ? is that some form of abuse ?
Originally posted by jaws1975
It's amazing to me how people believe the vaccination scam still! Do your research people it's not that hard, what kind of upside down world am I living in when people think that putting a combination of poisons into your body is a good idea. This crap is getting nuts, I was at my grocery store the other day and they were offering 10% off your grocery's if you got the flu vaccination
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by juleol
There is at most 52 micrograms of mercury in a can of tuna.
vaccines for hepititis B contain 12 micrograms of mercury.
TUNA CAUSES AUTISM!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Originally posted by Ellie Sagan
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
My first thought was to agree with you, but upon further thought I changed my opinion. The thing is, that you may still get the flu even if you get the vaccination. So unless it is an absolute magic bullet, there really is no reason to require workers to be vaccinated. To me the best thing would be for the hospital to require everyone who starts getting sick to actually stay home! This won't happen though, because the hospital needs it's workers so they wouldn't really stay on top of making sure that policy would be followed.