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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
Originally posted by mytheroy
The 2nd SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
2nd
Originally posted by BlindBastards
Most people don’t fear the US Government because they’re blind to what’s going on. Tyranny by stealth. At least the government certainly does not fear the people. If they outlaw guns, hence going against the Second which patently states “shall not be infringed”, they set a precedent to change/abolish other Amendments.
Like or dislike guns, the right is for a greater good to be fighting for. Your rights are already being infringed upon at an alarming rate, don’t let this one be destroyed.
Originally posted by ResistTreason
This question has been asked a hundred times in the last few weeks.
This website has a SEARCH function so that it doesnt get cluttered up with the SAME questions OVER AND OVER again.
Originally posted by HumansEh
Is that the freedom that you are willing to fight for? Is the land of the free becoming the land of the fear? Or does it need a root and branch overhaul to bring government to a more accountable level. Is that what the impending battle will decide? Does anybody see that there is something fundamentally wrong with a democratic system that can be used against its own people.
Has the right to bear arms become a symptom of allowing a government to become a force to be feared, or is it a delusion of the existence of personal liberty?
Surely it can't be both? If you are afraid of what your own government might do, then you do not have liberty.
Genuine question from one who wants to learn - be nice!
Originally posted by QUANTUMGR4V17Y
While a lot of American citizens choose to be willfully ignorant of the actions and power grabs of the government over the past 30 years, there is a fraction of the population who see this clearly. The gun grab has been on the agenda for a long time, it just so happened to be perfect timing to get out of the Benghazi and Fast and Furious scandals, to the real agenda through playing on peoples heart strings with Sandy Hook.
History repeats itself, the average citizens try to utilize the "normalcy bias" here, while the norm would be the government going tyrannical, as can be seen throughout history.
I live outside of Detroit, in a not-so-fantastic area, my reasons for wanting firearms are for both personal security and in the case the government runs rampant. Those are absolutely besides the point, though, as it is my inalienable right, as dictated by the Constitution of the United States.
Peace.
Originally posted by HumansEh
Originally posted by BlindBastards
Most people don’t fear the US Government because they’re blind to what’s going on. Tyranny by stealth. At least the government certainly does not fear the people. If they outlaw guns, hence going against the Second which patently states “shall not be infringed”, they set a precedent to change/abolish other Amendments.
Like or dislike guns, the right is for a greater good to be fighting for. Your rights are already being infringed upon at an alarming rate, don’t let this one be destroyed.
That's what I was wondering, you see here in Ireland the government cannot make any change (even a full stop) to the constitution without it being put to a referendum in which every person votes on whether to accept the change or not, even the most minute change must be put to the vote of the people. I gather that in the US that Congress can make amendments to the constitution without the consultation of the population. Is that true democracy or a recipe for disaster?
I'll hit on a few of the points in your OP. This may get a little long so bear with me. First and foremost, America is not a democracy. This is a fallacy among many historical fallacies. America is a constitutional republic. This ability to remove our understanding of the original political philosophy from the populaces collective conscience has been done masterfully. After all, when we're talking about a constitutional republic we're talking governance by law.
Originally posted by HumansEh
What I am really asking is, has Government been allowed to become so unaccountable and out of the hands of the people that law abiding citizens no longer feel that it works in their best interest, have the very people that you choose to lead you become ones to be feared?
Is that the freedom that you are willing to fight for? Is the land of the free becoming the land of the fear? Or does it need a root and branch overhaul to bring government to a more accountable level. Is that what the impending battle will decide? Does anybody see that there is something fundamentally wrong with a democratic system that can be used against its own people.
Has the right to bear arms become a symptom of allowing a government to become a force to be feared, or is it a delusion of the existence of personal liberty?
Surely it can't be both? If you are afraid of what your own government might do, then you do not have liberty.
Genuine question from one who wants to learn - be nice!
Source Now they can't have a political philosophy of law, all the while breaking those laws. They also don't want the populace to understand that they've undermined the agreements/concessions (Bill of Rights) made in order to legitimize (Constitution) the very government they're exploiting.Although this may be a little heavy on information stay with me.In the previous paragraph you may have noticed how I consider the development of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights a little different than some others.A lot of people for some reason think that the Constitution and Bill of Rights were universally formed together, in kind of a sing song, sit around the campfire fashion. This definitely is not the case. As a matter of fact a Bill of Rights was proposed while the Constitution was being formed and it was shot down almost unanimously. Only when they realized that the only way they would get "their" Constitution ratified was with a Bill of Rights did they make those concessions.What I'm saying is that the Bill of Rights were concessions that had to be made. It was a social progression that the world had not really seen before. Those same concessions are now being removed systematically, whether it be the 1st Amendment with H.R. 347, the 2nd amendment with the current charade, or the 4th and 5th amendments with NDAA and the Patriot Act.To understand better how the Constitution and Bill of Rights came into being Michael Parenti explains it fairly well. On the second part. I do think the 2nd Amendment is a symptom of feard government. However, I don't think is was necessarily allowed. I'm of the opinion that empire is a natural progression of governance, and part of that natural progression is that the empire expands so much that it must turn tyrannical towards it's own people because of the interests it must serve in order to maintain itself. I think there is a historical subconscious within people that understand this, thus you have social progressions such as a Bill of Rights. Government should always be feared because of the terrible consequences of a government that has no checks and balances. Just look at the billions upon billions of people who have been slaughtered historically by governments that had no civil right barriers placed upon them.
A constitutional republic refers to a form of government, where the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and which governs in accordance with existing constitutional law. It is a government of laws not of men. Since the governing body is elected and their decisions are subject to judicial review the state is named as republican.
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by mytheroy
The 2nd SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
2nd
It's seeming less like a country and more like some kind of cult.
Originally posted by HumansEh
I see what you mean, but is the government going tyrannical because from what I've read on this forum it appears that a collision is impending, could things really get that bad? worrying times and not just for the US.
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by mytheroy
The 2nd SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
2nd
It's seeming less like a country and more like some kind of cult.
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by mytheroy
The 2nd SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
2nd
It's seeming less like a country and more like some kind of cult.
Some of you guy come into threads like this as if you were little babies playing with dads tool set.
It might look like a cult because you are ignorant.
Originally posted by 11235813213455
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by mytheroy
The 2nd SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
2nd
It's seeming less like a country and more like some kind of cult.
A cult of constitution would certainly be a welcome change from the cult of personality we've been seeing since 2008