Originally posted by brookster18
Originally posted by ItDepends
reply to post by brookster18
Unfortunatly I disagree with you slightly.
Ina big way.
Goodness, kindness, love and compassion are inherently selfish.
They are animals and can all demonstrate Goodness, kindness, love and compassion. But they also demonstrate anger, spite and violence.
However, unlike humans, they cant plot the theft of other cats resources. They all sleep whereever they sleep and being at one with nature can sleep
in the cat basket or under the hedge just as well. Man cant. Eventually they get cold and die.
Getting back to your attributes, Goodness, kindness, love and compassion. These are natural dimensions to all living forms. And lacking them does not
preclude you from being good. the cats are good even though they have none of these attributes for me. Nature is by its very nature creul. We are
talking about inherent evil.
Man has the ability to stop what its doing but it wont as its so stupid that it cant even comprehend for a moment that its evil. It cant accept a
basic fact about itself, albeit a fact I believe to be true and not nessessarily instrinsically true. Man cant grasp that notion for a minute.
We dont have to open death camps to ensure that mankind is 100% gone from this plant this time next century.
You missed a BIG part of my initial response. The part about Motivations and Intentions. You use a lot 'generalizations' meaning, casting everyone
in the same light. You do not have to good deeds, acts of kindness, love or compassion with an ulterior motive - of getting something back, other
knowing in your heart you are trying to be a good and genuine person. So I disagree with you on that point.
Regarding your analogy of animals and cats. Cute story, but animals are clever and wouldn't plot to take from another. This simply not true, as the
owner of dogs and cats, I have witnessed, when one has there back turned, they will go over to the others' bowl and steal there food. LOL. I would
totally disagree with your statement that nature is inherently evil. That is way to broad of a brush.
No question there are evil people out there, unfortunately, many are lost forever and are deranged and lost for life. In other cases, evil is learned,
and builds upon itself and is highly demented and destructive.
It has been shown that loving nurturing from a young age can and will produce other highly treasured attributes like goodwill, caring, love,
friendship, compassion. I haven't given up on humanity, I keep hope eternal, and try my best to be a good, caring person. Doesn't mean I don't get
angry, upset or hurt at times. Most of these emotions are restricted to humans, however, I would agree that many animal species, if not all, can
demonstrate signs of affection, caring, love and many others. Domesticated animals such as dogs in partcular can show love, happiness and kindness.
I've seen my own cats and dogs snuggled up with each other. So no I do not subscribe to the statement that animals are inherently evil.
Survival will bring out instincts that are inherent. The extreme is to kill, mame, hurt for no logical reason at all.
I am not criticizing, however, I do detect some anger in your thinking. Life can be difficult, people can do some really horrible things. All I am
saying is that WE all are responsible for our decisions and actions. I believe most people (notice my use of - most) given the choice to do a good
thing versus a bad or evil thing, will choose good.
But heck, I am lover of life, I do choose to look for the beauty, the magnificence of this wonderful Earth, choose to be positive, and simply do the
best that I can, with each moment I have. I believe we can all make a difference but comes back to those key elements of Motivations and Intentions.
If its all about me, and what do I get out of it or I'm not gonna do it, well then, good chance that individual is miserable and selfish and I feel
sorry for them. However, it does NOT have to be that way. There is still room on this Earth to be loving, caring, compassionate, generous,
open-minded, accepting and altruistic all for the right and unselfish reasons.
Thanks for listening.......I am just offering the consideration that people can choose to be good versus evil.
EDIT: I also would like to make it clear, I do not view the world with rose-colored glasses. I see evil in the world, I know it exists, I know that
there are evil people out there that do horrible things. My view is that each of us that has the mental and moral abilities, can choose good over
evil, can make a positive difference in this world. We aren't perfect, we all make mistakes, but we can learn from them and become even better.
edit on 12-1-2013 by ItDepends because: Added Edited Thoughts