Kentucky Sheriff to Obama: No Gun Control in My County

Originally posted by Tazkven

Originally posted by DarKPenguiN

Originally posted by exitusstatuquo
reply to post by luciddream

 

If 5-10 million citizens with semi-automatics rose up against a globalist socialist dictator they would overthrow him and they would not need rocket launchers. The numbers would be sufficient to purge the rouge elements and restore our constitutional republic.

0-And who is in charge then? Alex Jones lol- maybe a Sheriff in Ky who thinks DANCING should be a Crime involving jail? A Sheriff in KY who says "no gun law" BUT we should be able to randomly stop, search and run your name for no other reason?

Christ, look at the laws in that State (specifically certain Counties) and the sentencing for really stupid things - If some KY Sheriff rises up, I am rising up AGAINST him. I like to dance and occasionally have a beer in my own home- I think that if the police see you having A beer on your front porch this shout NOT be probable cause to enter your home and "count" how many cans of beer you have to (possibly) jail you for Bootlegging. Especially since (living in laurel County) the closest place to buy "Take out" beer is Richmond KY or going into TN which is a 2 and a half hour round trip ...

-Anyhow I really laugh when totalitarian people who violate EVERYONES Civil rights want to scream about the Constitution when it effects THEM.

Not getting your point exactly, there are Stupid Laws across the nation and the world.

Who in the world got busted and jailed for dancing in their house? What is this Footloose?

As far as wet vs dry counties in Kentucky, these are decided by majority vote by the citizens of said county. I remember Hardin County being dry along time ago, now in Elizabethtown there are liquor stores because citizens voted to make the county moist (Wet Cities).

Even more counties are going wet by vote.

The most recent cities to vote wet under this statute did so in successive weeks in the summer of 2012—Franklin and Murray on July 17, La Grange on July 24, Georgetown on July 31, and Princeton on August 7

Source

How in the world can you blame a sheriff for what the majority voted for? Me personally, I applaud him for taking a stand against proposed unconstitutional laws.

My point is- Dancing (in pubic) IS a Crime in an establishment.
Checkpoints everywhere (in fact there are even websites dedicated to telling people where to AVOID tio not hit the checkpoints)
Stop and Frisk is all over the place.
-My Point would be that the "Sheriff" isnt worried about violating MY (and your) Constitutional right to an unwarranted search along with a plethora of other issues-
My point is that KY (at least where I lived and visited) WAS THE WORST POLICE STATE i HAVE EVER SEEN. The only thing about KY that had a hint of "Freedom" was the gun laws (no registration on handguns etc..) buit everything else was...Insane.

I have never lived somewhere where I was driving around and then motioned into a roadblock while my family was searched, our IDs taken and called in for warrant checks , etc, etc, with no probable cause (its a State Law)- So where are the Sheriffs screaming about these Violations??? Hmmm, they dont . In fact, the amount of things Law Enforcement gets away with there is incredible and your rights as a citizen are almost nil.

So My Point would be that we cannot "pick and choose" what parts of the Constitution to follow. I personally agree with the Sheriff on THIS ISSUE- Its everything else. Why is he standing up for THIS ISSUE while other Constitutional violations run rampant there (in favor of law Enforcement)
EDIT: Yes, it was like Footloose lol- We moved there because my Wife had an awesome job offer running the hanger (a Bar/Restaurant) at the airport. We had never even known :"Dry" counties still existed (especially since we were moving so she could manage a BAR)- She had to get S.T.A.R.S cert and learned about the "dancing law" and we were in awe... If someone starts dancing you have to shut the music (Jukebox) and inform them it is Illegal- If they continue you have to call the Police since the entire establishment can be shut down..

There is also much more to it than a "vote" everyone agrees upon- For one. Felons cannot vote (and getting a "felony" in KY is easier than elsewhere) so 1/7th (statistically) are exempt from voting- THEN there are the businesses who make a MINT from having a booze monopoly and their "pull" with the community and Law Enforcement.

Not even going to touch on how the National Guard is used...

Yes, it felt like Footloose- Felt like a whole different world. We bought a gorgeous home on some land and moved there expecting to love it- It was...Bad... Really bad (and we have lived all over) and I would never go back.

Georgetown and other "Northern KY" areas are also different from my understanding. I lived in SE (London) so that is the extent of my knowledge of the area.

reply to post by exitusstatuquo


5-10 Million can be easily disposed by the government. I thought you were gonna say 40-50% of American, then i would have taken that seriously. In the eyes of the government, they are not even 5% of the population.

If government think you gonna put them in dangerous position, they will use "lethal" force..... and it probably won't with just gun and bullet. You probably know more about their criminal activity than anyone.

I'm just saying what a government is capable of, in their eyes, this 5-10 million risking the other 200-300 million peoples lives.

Face the truth, if the American population can overthrow the government, why do you think it hasn't happened?

Simple answer, its just the minority that is up and arms.

reply to post by DarKPenguiN


I got hit by two road blocks in the past 3 weeks, one in Tompkinsville, Ky and the other in Fountain Run, Ky (yea I get around ) both at night with many police and troopers present, they asked for my driver's license and proof of insurance asked me where I was headed which was Louisville, Ky and sent me on my way, No stop and frisk, no searches, was just inconvenient ... I was making good time

In fact my entire life living here and hitting rural roadblocks I have never been searched ...

*Knock on wood*

I got pulled over in London, Ky by a Trooper for speeding, was rolling back to, you guessed it Louisville, KY from Gatlinburg, Tn He was super cool, wrote me a ticket but lowered the speed and disregarded the seat belt thing.

With the stuff you went through here I would be angry to. I am sorry that crap happened to you and don't blame ya bro I have never even heard of anything like that or the dancing law either ... consider me wowed.

Originally posted by Tazkven
reply to post by DarKPenguiN

 

I got hit by two road blocks in the past 3 weeks, one in Tompkinsville, Ky and the other in Fountain Run, Ky (yea I get around

) both at night with many police and troopers present, they asked for my driver's license and proof of insurance asked me where I was headed which was Louisville, Ky and sent me on my way, No stop and frisk, no searches, was just inconvenient ... I was making good time

In fact my entire life living here and hitting rural roadblocks I have never been searched ...

*Knock on wood*

I got pulled over in London, Ky by a Trooper for speeding, was rolling back to, you guessed it Louisville, KY from Gatlinburg, Tn He was super cool, wrote me a ticket but lowered the speed and disregarded the seat belt thing.

With the stuff you went through here I would be angry to. I am sorry that crap happened to you and don't blame ya bro I have never even heard of anything like that or the dancing law either ... consider me wowed.

edit on 11-1-2013 by Tazkven because: (no reason given)

LOL- Yeah it was pretty insane.

We moved there and found out it was a "moist" county and thought- No big deal. We drove to Richmond and bought about 10 cases of beer and a Half Gallon of everything and went about setting up a "home bar". (not that we are huge drinkers but since it would be a 2 and a half hour trip to buy anything we figured we would get a years supply at a time.

Later I learned we committed a Felony. So by merely driving to a place in the SAME STATE and buying a legal product I COULD have lost my right to vote AND own a Firearm (plus I kind of do not like the idea of having a Felony and possibly going to prison)-

Yeah, scary State. We took a loss on our home and my wife took a lower (by far) paying job to get out of there. Lasted about three years.

But man, was the State beautiful. Loved going out to my yard and looking into the foothills and just...Jaw dropping. But I felt like we were in an open prison. =(

Originally posted by PsykoOps
So he supports illicit images of children? I mean it's free speech after all. Posession and distributing that is. Not making. How bout nukes for the people too? Those amendments have been adjusted to modern times for good reasons.

really......thats your argument..............

Yes.......we all need nukes too .......

Typical left leaning tactic to draw a ridiculous correlation and use it as a talking point

How is it ridicilous? It's the sheriffs own words. Prove me wrong.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
How is it ridicilous? It's the sheriffs own words. Prove me wrong.

NO thats your interpretation and blatant distortion of what he said..........

In no where did he say he supports illicit images of children or people owning nukes.......

Its not hard to prove you wrong, cause i can read exactly what he said.....and so can everyone else.......

give me a break and stop trying to be intellectually obtuse

reply to post by exitusstatuquo


Awesome. Hats off to this man.

ROCK. I love my country.

We are now becoming what we needed to be. Real Americans. Less flags and fire works and more defiance to imposition and fascism.

I love this country.

I am feeling great! I cant wait to get home!

LONG LIVE STATE SOVEREIGNTY!

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by exitusstatuquo

 

Awesome. Hats off to this man.

ROCK. I love my country.

We are now becoming what we needed to be. Real Americans. Less flags and fire works and more defiance to imposition and fascism.

I love this country.

I am feeling great! I cant wait to get home!

LONG LIVE STATE SOVEREIGNTY!

edit on 11-1-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)

..You do realize that Jackson Co. Ky will throw you in jail for having more than 2 cases of Beer in your home? Not "real American" sounding to me.

I am really laughing now that I know this is a Jackson County Sheriff- (They have it worse than laurel County which is a Police State if there ever was one)- This "Sheriff" doesn't mind handing out Felony's to ADULTS drinking at home - Where they forever lose their right to bear arms and vote (Felons cannot vote in KY)- So its okay to take someones Voting rights away and their right to forever own a firearm for...(get ready) possessing some legal BEER-

Yup that is one mighty "American" Sheriff. I suggest you move there- Or read the jackson County Topix for information about that "Flag supporting" County.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


He says literally "no law that violates the constitution". Try again?

reply to post by DarKPenguiN


while it sucks to not be able to drink beer as we wish, I dont even want to compare civil liberties with drinking.....

Do I agree with bothering people for beer? no. Do I have raging alcoholics running around me, NO.

I dont know his reasons for the things you mentioned BUT he is making a good call here. What are you butt hurt for not being able to drink beer? There are more pressing issues at hand. It was an act of damn fine citizenry to stand up for our national gun rights.

So I stick to my story. This guy rocks. Hat is off and staying off. I would have a beer with him and accept my fine as long as the important things are squared away.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by DarKPenguiN

 

while it sucks to not be able to drink beer as we wish, I dont even want to compare civil liberties with public drinking.....

Do I agree with bothering people for beer? no. Do I have raging alcoholics running around me, NO.

I dont know his reasons for the things you mentioned BUT he is making a good call here. What are you butt hurt for not being able to drink beer? There are more pressing things at hand. It was an act of damn fine citizenry to stand up for our national gun rights.

So I stick to my story. This guy rocks. Hat is off and staying off. I would have a beer with him and accept my fine as long as the important things are squared away.

edit on 11-1-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)

Not talking about public drinking. Talking about at home. (no public Dancing though)- Also roadblocks (he supports) and stop and frisk (he supports)-

If you look at all the civil rights violations in jackson County (as compared to elsewhere) you have to wonder why THIS is the issue he is worried about. Jackson County does "Hotel Sweeps", Car searches (totally random and you do not have to be suspected of anything) and raiding homes (with guns pointed at homeowners) for someone having more than a couple cases of beer.

-Again- I agree with him on this issue but him mentioning the "Constitution" is like a Cocaine dealer opposing medical marijuana because "its bad for the children"... Its total hypocrisy.

reply to post by DarKPenguiN


well to be honest I am not very well informed on the subject of this county and this sheriff. I do appreciate the solidarity across the country on this issue though. It seems to have kicked us in the gut and we have realized we were down, but not out for the count. We are getting motivated and pissed off as a country. It is FREAKING awesome.

As far as this guy, the residents should just replace him if they dont want him. I say "keep him" as well, regardless of what federal civil rights laws that he may have violated if that is WHAT THE PEOPLE of the county WANT. He is their public servant. If he is there it is because he is wanted by the people he serves. That is democracy as well.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
reply to post by DarKPenguiN

 

well to be honest I am not very well informed on the subject. I apreciate the solidarity across the country on this issue. It seems to have kicked us in the gut and we have realized we were down, but not out for the count. We are getting motivated and pissed off as a country. It is FREAKING awesome.

As far as this guy, the residents should just replace him if they dont want him. I say keep him as well regardless of federal civil rights laws that he may have violated if that is WHAT THE PEOPLE of the county WANT. He is their public servant. If he is there it is because he is wanted by the people he serves. That is democracy as well.

edit on 11-1-2013 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given)

Its a complex situation about how Law Enforcement works in the "holler" and I am not wanting to get too far off topic- But it isnt simple democracy. Jackson County (and laurel County) are very corrupt places "owned" by a few old families- If you research you will see how bad the corruption is (County officials regularly being caught up in drug dealing and murder among other things) and certain people have Police protection for their activities. SE KY is the third biggest Cannabis growing area in the USA and there are certain people (the real bifg timers) who have protection which is why you only ever hear of very small busts from the third biggest county for Cannabis .

The Liquor laws also allow for a Monopoly by certain (very charmed) people- Drinking in PUBLIC is fine in Laurel County. As long as you are at a BAR- You cannot buy alcohol and take it home to drink it and if you transport more than 2 cases (48 beers) you are a "Bootlegger"- Bootlegging can actually be a FELONY up to a certain amount (not sure what it is off hand)

-Anyhow, its very dirty down there... I would be far more happy with this "Sheriff" coming forward and saying "we should NOT have the right to stop random people on the street and search them as that violates their Constitutional rights" OR "Roadblocks are unconstitutional" or "Raiding the home of someone in possession of some beer seems a bit extreme"-

Anyhow when I lived in Laurel County I was amazed at the Police State and everyone there laughed and said "If you think its bad here go to Jackson County"... I did...And it is.

-But yeah- We are in agreement as to what he said- I just find it funny that the constitution doesnt seem to mean much to him unless its second amendment...Remember Kentucky also jailed a student for writing a Zombie story (where was his outcry then???)

-I just find the whole thing absurd.

In the narrow scope of the original OP and a Sheriff being able to say 'This far...No Further in MY county', I think it's an outstanding thing and 100% true. I think it's a very seldom used thing in America today but that doesn't mean it NEVER is. Sheriff Joe in Arizona and at least a couple Sheriff's in Nevada have used the power their offices actually DO give them and it's A LOT of power, when used.

If a Sheriff says no to a gun control measure being enforced and believes he has the full force of law behind HIM in good faith? Well, that's not something in this nation, if we're remaining a nation of LAW and not tyranny, the Feds can just brush aside. Even the state level can't casually blow that off.

reply to post by Doc Gator


haha yeah does any one rember this story? if they are gonna give a nuclear reactor to a teen www.popsci.com...

whatsnext.blogs.cnn.com... so perhaps its no so far fetched an idea after all and like you said i wonder if it would work with a tax stamp as a dd

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
In the narrow scope of the original OP and a Sheriff being able to say 'This far...No Further in MY county', I think it's an outstanding thing and 100% true. I think it's a very seldom used thing in America today but that doesn't mean it NEVER is. Sheriff Joe in Arizona and at least a couple Sheriff's in Nevada have used the power their offices actually DO give them and it's A LOT of power, when used.

If a Sheriff says no to a gun control measure being enforced and believes he has the full force of law behind HIM in good faith? Well, that's not something in this nation, if we're remaining a nation of LAW and not tyranny, the Feds can just brush aside. Even the state level can't casually blow that off.

This is true.
Also your Governor (or State authorities) do not HAVE to follow Federal Law. Michigan has several Federal laws we do not follow and more to be added as they come down the pike.

The Federal Government is becoming less and less relevant. In the 1990s I am unaware of any states which thumbed their noses at Federal law (there may have been some and I am unaware) but today over half the States ignore at least one. As the federal Government moves further from the will of the populace- They will continue to become more and more irrelevant until finally new Federal laws will pass and we will all laugh knowing they cannot enforce them.

Seriously guys? we are still talking about gun control? its not going to happen. Do you people really think gun control was the end result from all these posts? Let me fill you in.

If guns were banned the government would have to purchase them all from every business (otherwise the business would loose a decent size portion of their inventory and possibly face bankruptcy-won't happen). They would also have to purchase them from the private owners. The government does not have this kind of money. Not to mention how many jobs would be lost.

The hole point of this was to create panic that they may be illegal soon and it worked. Look at gun sales. Look at ammo sales. Look at crime history reports (same as always just more press). If you really want to know what is going on- FOLLOW THE MONEY!

Our world revolves around money. Sad but true. The people who want a world that doesn't revolve around money (i.e. the 99%ers- me and you), we don't get to dictate anything. We are just along for the ride. The people that do dictate everything, make us move in a way that is profitable. Thier plan worked. The worst part is, you guys have been dancing to the same freaking song for weeks now. Sit down, take a break, and stop dancing already.

Originally posted by 1plusXisto7billion
Seriously guys? we are still talking about gun control? its not going to happen. Do you people really think gun control was the end result from all these posts? Let me fill you in.

If guns were banned the government would have to purchase them all from every business (otherwise the business would loose a decent size portion of their inventory and possibly face bankruptcy-won't happen). They would also have to purchase them from the private owners. The government does not have this kind of money. Not to mention how many jobs would be lost.

The hole point of this was to create panic that they may be illegal soon and it worked. Look at gun sales. Look at ammo sales. Look at crime history reports (same as always just more press). If you really want to know what is going on- FOLLOW THE MONEY!

Our world revolves around money. Sad but true. The people who want a world that doesn't revolve around money (i.e. the 99%ers- me and you), we don't get to dictate anything. We are just along for the ride. The people that do dictate everything, make us move in a way that is profitable. Thier plan worked. The worst part is, you guys have been dancing to the same freaking song for weeks now. Sit down, take a break, and stop dancing already.

LOL- I have been saying this for months.

Look at the laws regarding Firearms in the 1980s and 1990s. In Michigan there was under 1000 CCWs (waaaay under- You had to carry large amounts of cash to get one) now we are upwards of half a million CCW holders AND are passing laws to allow CCW in school (also thumbing our noses at federal law)

Right now we have the most liberal firearm laws in the nation , in my lifetime. More gun owners- Hell even my Mom has a CCW now because they GIVE THEM AWAY if you are not a Felon.

Anyhow- You are right... My point is this Sheriff is funny for screaming second amendment when his County has ignored all the other amendments... Where walking down main street is enough reason to be "stopped" searched, ID'd and then (if everything is good) told "have a nice day." lol

reply to post by PsykoOps


You are being ignorant. Illicit images are a crime because they were created via crime and they perpetuate crime. Owning a gun isn't a crime nor does it inherently create crime. Stop being an idiot/troll.