Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
This is horrifically demented. Forcing the soldiers to take the vaccination without giving them any information about possible side effects was evil enough. Please take the time to read the article as it has an email address giving you the opportunity to tell the Commissioner of this Bioethics program what you think about using children as guinea pigs for experimentation on a vaccine that has ruined the health of many soldiers and its effects are well documented. The youtube video of this ex Marine is a MUST WATCH to know what this can do to an adult. This is criminal child abuse and I beg you to let people know what is going on. Stand up and deliver!
(visit the link for the full news article)
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
It is not a request to test on children at all - that is pure scaremongering.
It is a discussion as to whether OR NOT it would be ethical to test on children - many vaccine proponents say there is no point - the chances of an anthrax attack are miniscule, and how would you figure out the results anyway n the absence of actual anthrax?
The discussion itself, rather than the stupid scaremongering headlines, can be found here - note that it is "establishment" bioethicists who are opposing any suggestion of carrying out such trials.
Specifically, the Department of Health and Human Services is seeking to test the highly controversial, dangerous Anthrax vaccine, on children. Express Your Views to the Commissions Director, Hillary.Viers@bioethics.gov
For over a year, the Commission has been attempting to find a rationale for endorsing a proposed government policy that would violate fundamental medical ethics principles. Principles mandated under the Nuremberg Code after the atrocities committed under the Nazi regime came to light.
The National Biodefense Science Board said Friday a separate review board should look into the ethical issues of doing such tests in children. If that is completed successfully, the panel, said, the Department of Health and Human Services should develop a plan for a study of the vaccine in children.
The chance of exposure to Anthrax is miniscule at best, unless you work around cattle or work in a lab with the stuff. Then you obviously have a bigger chance of exposure. . Not to mention like the flu, there are different strains of it. So the vaccine is pretty much worthless. It's a typical knee jerk over reaction and fear mongering to what is basically a non-threat.
it's not clear how much time it would take to find money for such research and get clearance from review boards at medical centers that would conduct studies. Another big question is whether parents would sign up their children to test a vaccine when there is no immediate threat. It's not possible to get anthrax from the vaccine, but there are side effects. In adults, shot-site soreness, muscle aches, fatigue and headache are the main ones, and rare but serious allergic reactions have been reported.
Under US Law, research involving greater than minimal risk and no prospect of direct benefit to individual [child] subjects, is prohibited in healthy children. (45 CFR 46, subpart D).
[Federal Register Volume 77, Number 125 (Thursday, June 28, 2012)]
From the Federal Register Online via the Government Printing Office [www.gpo.gov]
[FR Doc No: 2012-15841]
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Request for Comments on Ethical Issues Associated with the
Development of Medical Countermeasures for Children
AGENCY: Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the
Secretary, Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues.
On January 6, 2012, HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius asked the
Commission to ``conduct a thorough review of the ethical considerations
of conducting clinical trials of medical countermeasures in children,''
including the ethical considerations of conducting a pre- and post- event pediatric study of Anthrax Vaccine Adsorbed (AVA) as a component
of post-exposure prophylaxis, in order to address ``how best to obtain
clinical data on medical countermeasures in children.'' Accordingly,
the Commission is examining ethical issues surrounding the development
of medical treatments to keep children safe in the event of a public
health emergency. While significant progress has been made in the
development of medical countermeasures for adults, the development of
similar products for children has lagged, in part because of challenges
in conducting safety and immunogenicity studies. In the 2011 report,
``Challenges in the Use of Anthrax Vaccine Adsorbed (AVA) in the
Pediatric Population as a Component of Post-Exposure Prophylaxis,'' the
National Biodefense Science Board recommended that the Department of
Health and Human Services move forward with testing AVA before a public
health emergency but only after the ethical considerations are
adequately addressed and reviewed.
Originally posted by LittleBirdSaid
reply to post by Masinator
No you are totally wrong - some were forced. I was in an Air Guard Unit deploying to a scary FOB and let me tell you they wanted the jab in us so bad they flew in a expired box full of this vaccine up in an F15. True. We donated blood samples prior to this vaccine - took it under the armed watch of security forces and anyone refusing was walked directly to the JAG. So you are very wrong - some most definately were forced. Lucky for me in my case it was actually documented as well as my severe reaction.
Also true is that many besides me from my former unit suffered disablement as a result. I am 100% Permanant and Total through the VA as a result of this Vaccine. I have paperwork from the Air Force Vaccine Resource Center at Lackland AFB that found my disablement was in fact caused by this vaccine. I suffer from the diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia and IBS - or call it "Gulf War Syndrome" if you like. Call it what ever you want - call it living hell.
I served on a committee at one time to try and stop this nonesense. I still have in my possession a few reams of paper on which are printed Vaccine Adverse Reactions - or (VEARS forms) 12 dead or permanently disabled in the first 40 pages alone, each page representing one individual! There is something so wrong with this idea of testing this vaccine on children and it is being considered.
This is a heavy conspiracy forum if you want to dig deep into a heavy topic do some googling about this vaccine, the letters and the deaths or "suicides" that surround it.
I know this issue a bit because it permanantly changed my life . . . and I was indeed forced to take the vaccine - or lose my career. In the end I lost my career anyway to Medical Retirement. But I am amoung the lucky, at least my case was documented and I recieve compensation for my disability. I miss my career though. Like the Marine in the Video I "dont look disabled" but trust me this is for real.edit on 11-1-2013 by LittleBirdSaid because: add
Originally posted by votan
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady
who sits around thinking this stuff up
Originally posted by xedocodex
The Obama Administration is NOT seeking to test the Anthrax vaccine on children.
So many lies and hoaxes, it's just ridiculous.
Originally posted by Dingo80
The 2nd amendment is to stop tyrannical governments?
Whatcha gonna do America? Huh? Huh?
Whatcha gonna do?
You stood by and did nothing
edit on 11-1-2013 by Dingo80 because: (no reason given)