Religion keeping others in a box?

reply to post by wildtimes


If we weren't dividing ourselves over religion, we'd just find another topic to divide ourselves over.

You think the religious forum is the only one in which people debate in?

reply to post by Deetermined


Of course not!

I look at a LOT of the forums. My particular interests are psychology, the supernatural, philosophy, SOCIAL ISSUES, and ancient/lost civilizations...as well as "spirituality" and "theology."

I see "box-dwellers" everywhere!!

reply to post by wildtimes


Countries that behead, stone to death or execute in the name of religion are also the same countries that behead, stone to death or execute anyone that tries to overthrow their government.

If they didn't have religion, they would just use their excuse of dictatorship authority to do the same anyway.

religion in itself is a dead thing. But it sure is used by opportunists for meeting their own needs.
So will be fate of this idea of denial of organised religion.
Its the people at fault, not any religion.
Yes personal religion seems to be the answer but what i see is that even atheist get together at a place to "not worship" and have organisations etc? Whats that? Organised atheism?
If you have a considerable amount of people with similar belief, they are bound to make groups.

reply to post by logical7

Its the people at fault, not any religion.

But who invented "religion"?

reply to post by wildtimes


God gave it to man and then man expanded on it.

reply to post by Deetermined

If they didn't have religion, they would just use their excuse of dictatorship authority to do the same anyway.

So then, what good is "religion"? It seems from what you say to be no better than politics, power-wielding, or any other form of "authority".

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No, "God" did not give it to man. Man invented it to explain what they could not understand.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by logical7

 

Its the people at fault, not any religion.

But who invented "religion"?

nobody invented it. And define "religion"
i completely agree with the point of deetermined.
Religion is being made a scapegoat to be sacrificed on the altar of reasoning to vent out the anger about everything wrong thats going on.

reply to post by logical7

Religion is being made a scapegoat to be sacrificed on the altar of reasoning to vent out the anger about everything wrong thats going on.

Okay,
so,
you deny that religion has had anything to do with "everything wrong that's going on"?

If so, HOW is it helping things to not go wrong?

Define "religion"? Really?
Religion is

re·li·gion
/riˈlijən/
Noun
The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
Details of belief as taught or discussed.
Synonyms
faith - belief - creed - denomination

reply to post by wildtimes


It's like anything else.

Religion and politics are both good when they are not abused and used for their rightful purposes.

Originally posted by wildtimes

No, "God" did not give it to man. Man invented it to explain what they could not understand.

God gave it to man and then man did with it what it does with everything....

Messed up it's interpretation.

Doesn't the Bible make that clear?

reply to post by Deetermined


Oh, Lord.....
*sigh*

reply to post by wildtimes


Listen, no interpretation of anything on earth is perfect.

All the more reason not to throw anything away, including religion.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by logical7

 

Religion is being made a scapegoat to be sacrificed on the altar of reasoning to vent out the anger about everything wrong thats going on.

Okay,
so,
you deny that religion has had anything to do with "everything wrong that's going on"?

If so, HOW is it helping things to not go wrong?

Define "religion"? Really?
Religion is

re·li·gion
/riˈlijən/
Noun
The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
Details of belief as taught or discussed.
Synonyms
faith - belief - creed - denomination

like i said religion is a dead thing. Yes if you ask what are the people in the religion doing then i agree that they should do their best to change things. But religion is an open organisation, anyone can claim to belong to it and demonise it.
And let me give a broader definition, religion is anything that a group of people agree to follow devotedly, an idea, spirituality etc

reply to post by logical7

like i said religion is a dead thing. Yes if you ask what are the people in the religion doing then i agree that they should do their best to change things.

So, how would they do this? What would be your advice to religions in HOW to change things?

I'm not sure what you mean by religion being a "dead thing" - it rages across the globe EVERY SINGLE DAY -

So, again, my friend log7, WHAT do you suggest?

Revamping religion, perhaps?

I don't recall if I've asked you before, but, the Baha'i faith seems to me to be the most peaceful religion (of the Abrahamic choices) going.
It was started by a Muslim.

Are you familiar with it?

reply to post by Deetermined


Me stating Jesus is Lord does not equate to me saying he is the only way to God.

reply to post by jhill76


Do you care to explain how that works exactly?

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by jhill76

 

Do you care to explain how that works exactly?

Christians claim their way is the only way and worship Jesus as God. But, he never wanted to be worshipped only show others the way. Believe in him, because you will believe what he tells you about how to make it back home.

When this is all done, he will be the judge for all, as Father left judgement up to him, but it is just a task, it does not make him God.

reply to post by wildtimes

how would they do this? What
would be your advice to religions in
HOW to change things?

just practice what the religion teaches. That would be a big enough achievement.

I'm not sure what you mean by
religion being a "dead thing" - it rages
across the globe EVERY SINGLE DAY -

religion is an idea, the followers make it alive. And religion in theory can be great. But appears only as good as the followers it has.

I don't recall if I've asked you before,
but, the Baha'i faith seems to me to be
the most peaceful religion (of the Abrahamic choices) going.
It was started by a Muslim.
Are you familiar with it?

yes you asked me before and i missed to answer you. I do know it. But its a typical example of "anyone can start a religion"
i see it in the same category as Nation of Islam.

reply to post by logical7

i see it in the same category as Nation of Islam.

You do?

So, okay, why does the "Nation of Islam" not promote and accept the peaceful "unity of all"?

yes you asked me before and i missed to answer you. I do know it. But its a typical example of "anyone can start a religion"

So, you dismiss it as "anyone" and therefore not worthy of attention?
The "founder" is considered the "last prophet", and he was .... let me think......centuries LATER than Mohammed....

why is "his" religion and ideas only worthy of being discarded and dismissed?
Because he's "the new guy"?