Vitamin C - What You Don't Know May Kill You AND Why The USDA is Wrong

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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by alienDNA
Hmm. I would really like to buy this stuff but when I google it I get very very few hits, and this and other threads pop up.

Seems ligit? Hmm...

anyway I dont know what it is called in Sweden, and Dont know how to translate it So I guess Im at a loss.


Post your question over in the "I Make My Own Liposomal" thread, there are other members from Europe that may be able to help you out.

Link is in my signature.




posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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I've never taken vitamin C and I no relative I know does either (and I bet ancestors didn't either) and we've all been ok to now (narrow minded maybe?).

In the UK there's been a fair amount of negative press regarding vitamins usefulness so I'm on the sceptical side

Should I be taking it? I feel I'm missing out - are there actually lots of people out there buying vitamin C? Shop sales would say so but who and why? What's people worried about? I'm not worried about taking Vitamin C and I'm happy :-)

(me thinks the gun debate is more relevant to mortality but like I said, I don't take VitC !)

Good weekend to all :-)



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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Correct, one shouldn't have to research good health, but if everyone were healthy, what would happen to the medical industry, or even more, the health insurance industry? Cover up, with regard to "natural" cures? Me thinks so. Not refering to the nut, that used to push books on tv.

I'm off to put my tin foil hat on, before some here suggest I do.

Thanks to the OP, Julie, for the thread S&F for you.

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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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Excellent, amazing thread. This thread actually helped and informed me a lot. I've been looking for ways to change my health for the better, especially with the government playing the pandemic card lately.

Also, I found an interesting article about vitamin C enriched foods.

Vitamin C foods, high in vitamin C

Here's the article.




The King has arrived... Before I go into the Vitamin C foods, I want to share with you the one food source that has the highest amount of Vitamin C. And that food is called acerola. One cup of this exotic berry (about the size of a cherry) has over 1600mg of Vitamin C. Unfortunately it’s very tart in flavor so you’ll see this in the powder form or in the juice form. Bossa Nova has an acerola juice product and it has an interesting taste to it (they also have an acai juice as well). It has a peachy taste with a nice punch of sour to it. The peachy-ness is probably from the peach & dragonfruit they add to tame the tartness of the fruit. The acerola juice has around 1,000mg of Vitamin C in just 8oz! The other big players... Now that we got out of the way, let’s go over some other foods high in Vitamin C. First we’ll go over the non-citrus foods high in Vitamin C, then the citrus fruits, and lastly the ones you think should be loaded with Vitamin C but aren’t. Other than acerola, the best Vitamin C foods are red, yellow & green bell peppers, broccoli and kiwi. This is based on the size of the fruit relative to the amount of Vitamin C it contains.


To read the rest of the article, click the link.

I like the thought of consuming this Acerola juice every day. Super health boost!!!



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by TWILITE22
reply to post by Julie Washington
 
two questions for you,do you know if this is something that will help with rheumatoid arthritis or Lymes disease?

I'm also curious about the niacin for depression what is the best way to get more niacin? as I understand it the ones sold in stores don't help much because of the coatings put on these supplements that your body has a difficult time breaking them down...is this true?

Thanks for bringing this important information to us,I just wish I had read the other thread earlier as my son has been out of school all week with the flu.I'm going to order my first batch try it then look into getting the items I need to make it for myself and my family.

Good health shouldn't be something one has to research,(this really angers me)with the abundance of food we have available or should have available in the U.S,and I'll leave it at that!



Yes, it will help with rheumatoid arthritis.

I don't know about Lymes disease, haven't read anything about it.

I need to do more research on the Niacin, but haven't had the time.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:12 AM
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Great Post! I learned years ago about how the FDA's recommended intake of Vitamin C is the minimum amount required by the body to prevent scurvy. I've been telling friends and family that but now I'll just point them to this thread. I do have some thoughts though after reading through the posts.

Our diets have changed drastically over the last century or so. If I think about how most primates live in warm climates and all the plants and such available to them for food, then I can understand how now we could be getting much less of this in our diets than we should be.

Also, just because our bodies may run better on high doses of vitamin c doesn't mean that they were designed for such a high dose. I mean, my car was designed to run on 87 octane gasoline, but when I fill up with Super Premium 94 octane it gets better gas mileage and has a bit more power when I step on the pedal. So maybe we aren't designed for such high doses, but our bodies just run better when we "supercharge" our engines?



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem
Again and again, the issue I was asking about was this: how did our ancestors get vitamin C in sufficient quantities without buying supplements, say 200,000 years ago. And the "produce" they were getting was far from fresh. They usually didn't have "Wild by Nature" stores just next door to their caves. Sure there were greens during the summer and the meat does have C, but at the same time they had to scavenge, meaning whatever food they had was not always fresh off the vine. Making any judgement about how much C they consumed on the basis of presumed "freshness" just doesn't hold water.

Your assertion that the palaeolithic diet did not contain sufficient fresh food is equally porous and you seem to ignore the nutritional implications of our food distribution system. VC starts degrading as soon as food is harvested.


2. The modern food we grow has been bred to minimise VC content in an effort to make it more appealing to our palates.

Care to provide a link to where a producer of food is hard at work to reduce the C content?

Please re-read. I did not say this. Our food has been bred to enhance certain properties like appearance, shelf life and sugar content. VC is not one of those properties. The nutrient density of modern fresh produce has declined over time as an unintended consequence of this practice.


2. Our palates develop from early childhood to accept sweet and salty foods. Foods high in VC are usually sour, astringent which our palate rejects.

That's not always true at all. Many people like lemons. Orange juice? Heck, even potatoes have Vitamin C. The food does NOT have to be sour to qualify as a C source. That's just ridiculous.

Yes that is a ridiculous statement. Food does indeed not have to be sour to qualify as a C source. This conditioning is cultural and I never said it is always true. Take a look at the VC content of a potato and compare it with an acerola cherry. Have you eaten an acerola cherry? Have you looked at the actual VC content of a lemon once it gets to your supermarket? Do you know how many you need to eat to get a sufficient dose? Lemons are not fantastic sources of VC and you probably know this already.


3. Our daily requirement for VC varies depending on the environmental stresses we experience.
Our modern immune systems have not matured fully due to our diet and medical intervention. This places the immune system under greater stress than would otherwise be.
Our modern lifestyle is more emotionally stressful, which further suppresses our immune systems and other physiological systems.

Really??? With worse sanitary conditions, decease control and general dismal state of human condition in the past, it's moot to claim that people lived stress-free and healthier lives in the past.


You know I am not claiming that palaeolithic people lived stress free lives. Their lives were most likely extremely physically stressful. However, our bodies are constructed to deal with certain types of stress and not others. Physical stress and strain imposes an entirely different load upon our regenerative systems than the ones I highlighted. Stresses that compromise our protective and regenerative systems especially.


For most of us, the requirements for VC in our modern world far outweighs the ability for our modern diet to supply.

Again, this is an arbitrary statement, and faith-based at that.


The FDA guidelines are based on the minimum requirement to prevent disease in a very narrow set of the human population. It is easy to determine what your optimal dosage is. Just take it until you get the runs. This establishes your upper level tolerance. You can then work backwards from there bearing in mind that this tolerance varies wildly in an individual on a day to day basis. It is not a faith based assumption.



Remember VC is an acid. Many minerals (like Zinc) are metals. What does acid do to metals (think battery acid and the body of your car)? What do you think happens when an acid and a metal are combined in a pill?

Hey look, you claim knowledge of chemistry and what not, and then you post THIS. Seriously. Trying to scare people with acid in the car battery? Come on. The Zinc supplements contain this metal as a salt, such as sulfate. It's not in its metal form anymore. Why do you feel compelled to post such nonsense?


A large portion of the population does not know the difference between a vitamin and a mineral. My intention was not to scare people, but rather show an analogy that these people my relate to.

I was highlighting the fact that acids react with metals (and their compounds).

It is a very well established fact that the best quality supplements do not come in the form of a single pill for the very reason I stated.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Excellent, amazing thread. This thread actually helped and informed me a lot. I've been looking for ways to change my health for the better, especially with the government playing the pandemic card lately.

Also, I found an interesting article about vitamin C enriched foods.

Vitamin C foods, high in vitamin C

Here's the article.




The King has arrived... Before I go into the Vitamin C foods, I want to share with you the one food source that has the highest amount of Vitamin C. And that food is called acerola. One cup of this exotic berry (about the size of a cherry) has over 1600mg of Vitamin C. Unfortunately it’s very tart in flavor so you’ll see this in the powder form or in the juice form. Bossa Nova has an acerola juice product and it has an interesting taste to it (they also have an acai juice as well). It has a peachy taste with a nice punch of sour to it. The peachy-ness is probably from the peach & dragonfruit they add to tame the tartness of the fruit. The acerola juice has around 1,000mg of Vitamin C in just 8oz! The other big players... Now that we got out of the way, let’s go over some other foods high in Vitamin C. First we’ll go over the non-citrus foods high in Vitamin C, then the citrus fruits, and lastly the ones you think should be loaded with Vitamin C but aren’t. Other than acerola, the best Vitamin C foods are red, yellow & green bell peppers, broccoli and kiwi. This is based on the size of the fruit relative to the amount of Vitamin C it contains.


To read the rest of the article, click the link.

I like the thought of consuming this Acerola juice every day. Super health boost!!!


Thanks for that. I'm going to find some of this juice.

Just remember, even though it contains 1,600mg of Vit-C, your body will only absorb 33% or (200-300mg).

But a very nice addition to the diet for sure!



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:16 AM
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I'm currently sick and wondering what exactly would be a sufficient level to take? In reference I've been taking about 1000mg a day right now so according to this study I should double that? or 2500mg?



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:21 AM
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Very excellent and well put together thread! This thread reminds me I need to stay consistent with my vitamins. I've always been a believer in vit c helping things but have never tried liposomal or high doses. for right now I'm just going to start taking a few tablets of vit c a day, once I get the extra cash I'm totally ordering a bottle of liposomal to try. If it can help me with my depression and anxiety I'll be thrilled!



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by Julie Washington
 


I'm currently sick and wondering what exactly would be a sufficient level to take? In reference I've been taking about 1000mg a day right now so according to this study I should double that? or 2500mg?


In what form are you taking it?



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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Pill form.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by miss_sky
Very excellent and well put together thread! This thread reminds me I need to stay consistent with my vitamins. I've always been a believer in vit c helping things but have never tried liposomal or high doses. for right now I'm just going to start taking a few tablets of vit c a day, once I get the extra cash I'm totally ordering a bottle of liposomal to try. If it can help me with my depression and anxiety I'll be thrilled!


Be sure to add some Niacin B3 for the depression. Did you see the video about it in the OP?

Hope it helps



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:26 AM
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I know people who take over 5000mg in a 24 hr period without any side effects whatsoever when they are sick. Your body will use all it needs and excrete the rest. If you get the runs then you've taken too much.

Are you taking Vitamin D? As this is a Vitamin C thread I'll not comment further except that it has shown to be beneficial for emotional related issues.
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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by Julie Washington
 


Pill form.


Studies have found that when you are sick the body may require 10x's the amount of vitamin C.

If you were taking 1,000mg a day, that means when sick you may need 10,000 mg a day.

You are not going to get that in pill form.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 12:03 PM
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What is the dosage, in terms of teaspoons/tablespoons, for a 1,000 mg dose? I'm in a serious brain fog this morning and can't find a conversion for this.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
What is the dosage, in terms of teaspoons/tablespoons, for a 1,000 mg dose? I'm in a serious brain fog this morning and can't find a conversion for this.


I believe this answer is in the I Make My Own Lipo Vit-C thread. Please post the question over there and then I'll post the answer here, as I would like to know as well.

EDIT TO ADD: Found it!

"Since I got good results I will recap the method I used for those interested ...

First my Vitamin C powder is 5000mg per teaspoon ...

Second my Lecithin is 1680mg per tablespoon ...

I measured 3 level tablespoons of granular Lecithin and mixed it with a spoon in one cup of distilled water ...
Let the lecithin soak for at least 30 minutes ...

Then I measured 1 level tablespoon of vitamin C powder and mixed it with a spoon into 1 cup of distilled water dissolving it completely ...

Then I took the lecithin solution and put it in a blender on high for 1 minute ...

Next I poured the vitamin C solution into the blender and blended on high for 20 seconds ...

Finally I poured the mixture into my stainless steel jewelry cleaner (from Harbor Freight Tools) and ran the cycles, stirring frequently, until all the foam was gone (long time 30+ minutes) ...

The results are an oily sour tasting solution that has a consistency of watery milk and looks like it too. It has maybe the slightest bit of an orange to yellow hue.

The total volume of solution is 2 cups.
The total C in the solution is 15,000mg.
At a 1 oz dose there are 16 doses in this recipe.
Each dose has 937mg of C with at about 700mg encapsulated.
At an 80% absorption rate in the body you should get 560mg of C per dose.



Compare that to 1000mg of C in pills at 16% absorption for 160mg of C.

Source
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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by UnderGetty

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Again and again, the issue I was asking about was this: how did our ancestors get vitamin C in sufficient quantities without buying supplements, say 200,000 years ago.

Your assertion that the palaeolithic diet did not contain sufficient fresh food is equally porous


a) Wait... I never said that paleolithic diet did not contain sufficient C. I stated EXACTLY the opposite, and that they did fine without supplement back then.

b) "porous"... Thank you for acknowledging that you have nothing solid to offer as an argument, but note this: you try to equal my critical approach to your conjecture, with your conjecture. Go figure. Consider this: you say that there is a dinosaur in the woods behind your house. I say this is bull. You say my argument is equally porous. Duh.




2. The modern food we grow has been bred to minimise VC content in an effort to make it more appealing to our palates.

Care to provide a link to where a producer of food is hard at work to reduce the C content?


Please re-read. I did not say this. Our food has been bred to enhance certain properties like appearance, shelf life and sugar content. VC is not one of those properties


I think it is you who needs to re-read. You state point-blank that "The modern food we grow has been bred to minimise VC content", then when I want to see the evidence that "the food we grow has been bred to minimize VC", you say you didn't say it. Make up your mind.



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posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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So if I smoke a blunt a day (MODS: Recreational marijuana use is legal in WA. Thanks) and take some Liposomal Vitamin C, Cancer is going to hate me?

Lima-1, out.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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Interesting, I'll take what you've said into consideration.

And what you say is true, we can't trust those who recommend those low dosages, due to their either intentional greed for others money or for their ignorance.





 
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