Vitamin C - What You Don't Know May Kill You AND Why The USDA is Wrong, page 4


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reply posted on 11-1-2013 @ 08:09 AM by UnderGetty
Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to
post by Julie Washington



You are ignoring a very specific question asked by myself and one other poster here, which is how come humans did pretty well for the past hundreds of millenia, without resorting to food supplements. All you can do is put up some "OMG stroke cases are on the rise" graphic here. Non sequitur.

Vitamin C is good for you and all that, but it's sad to see that some people eschew basic critical thinking.


Vitamin C is a strong anti-oxidant and as such, degrades rapidly. There are a number of factors that contribute to our inability to obtain sufficient quantities naturally.

1. The fresh produce we eat is not fresh enough. By the time it gets into our mouths, the food has lost most of it's VC.

2. The modern food we grow has been bred to minimise VC content in an effort to make it more appealing to our palates.

2. Our palates develop from early childhood to accept sweet and salty foods. Foods high in VC are usually sour, astringent which our palate rejects. This is a social conditioning phenomenon.

3. Our daily requirement for VC varies depending on the environmental stresses we experience.
Our modern immune systems have not matured fully due to our diet and medical intervention. This places the immune system under greater stress than would otherwise be.
Our modern lifestyle is more emotionally stressful, which further suppresses our immune systems and other physiological systems.
Modern environmental pollutants place higher demands on our physiological systems.
Our modern lifestyle exposes us to a much greater degree of social interaction with strangers. This in turn exposes us to their hormones resulting in what is called the Bruce effect: en.wikipedia.org... This is a whole different topic but in effect, it places further stress on our systems.
The list goes on and on...

For most of us, the requirements for VC in our modern world far outweighs the ability for our modern diet to supply.

VC is water soluble and can not be stored in the body. The best way to get enough it to ingest small quantities throughout the day.

Beware products that contain other ingredients (like a multivitamin). Ascorbic Acid is often used as a preservative , or will react with these ingredients making it no longer biologically available.

Just because a product says that it has VC added doesn't mean that it's done for your benefit. It is usually a marketing ploy and is done to extend the shelf life of the product, enhance colour, or offset the overpowering sweetness due to the amount of sugar that's been added.

Remember VC is an acid. Many minerals (like Zinc) are metals. What does acid do to metals (think battery acid and the body of your car)? What do you think happens when an acid and a metal are combined in a pill?


reply posted on 11-1-2013 @ 08:47 AM by primus2012
Originally posted by signalfire
Up until fairly recently (evolutionarily-wise) people didn't cook their food, even proteins. Meat was often eaten raw or smoked, and as the animal's flesh was saturated with vitamin C, we also would have ingested that. Diets high in berries and root vegetables were the norm, as were such delicacies as grubs, an animal loaded with the vitamin C of its plant-based diet.

Advance forward to the last 50 years or so, and all proteins are cooked, destroying most of their nutrients, and 'veggies' are packaged boxes of something or another, and sugar intake has gone from a pound in an entire lifetime, to a pound a month or so... and vegetables are grown in nutrient-deprived soils.

Our diets in the last 50 years or so have undergone more change then in the 10,000 years before that. Who knows how many diseases are increasing concurrent with the decreasing quality of our diets?

The knee-jerk debunking never ceases to amaze me. Hey, information is all good; take it all in, consider it, and let others do the same. One thing I learned early on in the medical field; most doctors NEVER ask a patient what their normal diet is like on a daily basis; they all figure that everyone eats like they do. Nutritional education in most med schools consists of mere minutes...

Maybe an inability to consider new information is caused by vitamin deficiencies...


The most significant dietary change for "civilized" man has probably been range-fed livestock to corn-fed livestock. Instead of eating all of those highly nutritious bitter wild grasses that are loaded with vitamins, livestock eat mystery meals out of a trough or bucket. Mostly corn as it is cheap and filling. GMO corn now to boot.


reply posted on 11-1-2013 @ 09:11 AM by new_here
reply to post by primus2012

You guys all offer some really good answers to the question of "Why Now?" about Vitamin C deficiency in humans/primates. Thanks. I asked the question up above because, to feel as good as I do these last couple of days with the Liposomal C, led me to agree with the OP's assertion that I may indeed have been deficient prior to beginning my regimen. The answers on this page make a lot of sense.

That post above about craving sweets? I have done a complete 180 since taking the C-- don't want sweets. Cool.


reply posted on 11-1-2013 @ 09:12 AM by dragnik
reply to post by Julie Washington



Yes, hypervitaminosis can be the same dangerous as hypovitaminosis, sometimes.
Sailors were first who found out the importance of C vitamin.
Because of scurvy...


reply posted on 11-1-2013 @ 09:53 AM by TWILITE22
reply to post by Julie Washington

two questions for you,do you know if this is something that will help with rheumatoid arthritis or Lymes disease?

I'm also curious about the niacin for depression what is the best way to get more niacin? as I understand it the ones sold in stores don't help much because of the coatings put on these supplements that your body has a difficult time breaking them down...is this true?

Thanks for bringing this important information to us,I just wish I had read the other thread earlier as my son has been out of school all week with the flu.I'm going to order my first batch try it then look into getting the items I need to make it for myself and my family.

Good health shouldn't be something one has to research,(this really angers me)with the abundance of food we have available or should have available in the U.S,and I'll leave it at that!



reply posted on 11-1-2013 @ 10:01 AM by buddhasystem
Originally posted by UnderGetty
Vitamin C is a strong anti-oxidant and as such, degrades rapidly. There are a number of factors that contribute to our inability to obtain sufficient quantities naturally.

1. The fresh produce we eat is not fresh enough. By the time it gets into our mouths, the food has lost most of it's VC.


Again and again, the issue I was asking about was this: how did our ancestors get vitamin C in sufficient quantities without buying supplements, say 200,000 years ago. And the "produce" they were getting was far from fresh. They usually didn't have "Wild by Nature" stores just next door to their caves. Sure there were greens during the summer and the meat does have C, but at the same time they had to scavenge, meaning whatever food they had was not always fresh off the vine. Making any judgement about how much C they consumed on the basis of presumed "freshness" just doesn't hold water.

2. The modern food we grow has been bred to minimise VC content in an effort to make it more appealing to our palates.


Care to provide a link to where a producer of food is hard at work to reduce the C content?

2. Our palates develop from early childhood to accept sweet and salty foods. Foods high in VC are usually sour, astringent which our palate rejects.


That's not always true at all. Many people like lemons. Orange juice? Heck, even potatoes have Vitamin C. The food does NOT have to be sour to qualify as a C source. That's just ridiculous.

3. Our daily requirement for VC varies depending on the environmental stresses we experience.
Our modern immune systems have not matured fully due to our diet and medical intervention. This places the immune system under greater stress than would otherwise be.
Our modern lifestyle is more emotionally stressful, which further suppresses our immune systems and other physiological systems.


Really??? With worse sanitary conditions, decease control and general dismal state of human condition in the past, it's moot to claim that people lived stress-free and healthier lives in the past.

For most of us, the requirements for VC in our modern world far outweighs the ability for our modern diet to supply.


Again, this is an arbitrary statement, and faith-based at that.


Remember VC is an acid. Many minerals (like Zinc) are metals. What does acid do to metals (think battery acid and the body of your car)? What do you think happens when an acid and a metal are combined in a pill?


Hey look, you claim knowledge of chemistry and what not, and then you post THIS. Seriously. Trying to scare people with acid in the car battery? Come on. The Zinc supplements contain this metal as a salt, such as sulfate. It's not in its metal form anymore. Why do you feel compelled to post such nonsense?


reply posted on 11-1-2013 @ 10:09 AM by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by Julie Washington



I eat one to two larges oranges and a cup of almonds for lunch just about every day so ...........


reply posted on 11-1-2013 @ 10:29 AM by followingpythagoras
reply to post by Julie Washington



Thank you so much for this - I am bookmarking so I can make my husband read this. He has suffered from gout and other arthritis for years now, and may be willing to give this some serious attention. I'm going to give making this at home a try.
Thanks again!
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