Wyoming lawmakers propose bill to nullify new federal gun laws

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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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yeah we passed a law like this in Montana a few years ago,it hasent changed anything really as none of the local or box store gun makers wanna be the first one to be brought to court over the matter.

But more states doing this is good as it increases the chances of us getting a favorable ruleing along the lines

basicly the just of the law if its like our Montana one is firearms and components made localy in montana and stay in Montana can not be regulated by the feds via commerce clause due to the fact that the fire arms are not allowed to leave the state,and with no interstate commerce they seem to have no ablity to regulate it but again no case law on the matter has been ruled upon yet just local legislation that has passed




posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 04:08 PM
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Some of the best ammo comes from Montana by way of gun shows but you will not find them in big box stores because they are not federally licensed makers.
There are some lower receiver makers there that also make some good products.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 04:16 PM
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yeah im about a mile from montana rifleman company and i tend to get the orange box's of BVAC(i think thats what its called) as they are waaaay cheaper then anything else around,every now and then you MIGHT get a dirty batch but ive had nothing but success from them

www.bvac-ammo.com... were these the guys you were talking about?



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 04:21 PM
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Fight gun control as hard as you can or you will end up like Canada.

Never give up your rights to protect yourself from any threat foreign or domestic or global.

Dont just defend ,if you are going to spend the money spend it on the offensive.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 04:27 PM
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That is the one I have seen most at the gun shows. They are some pretty good ammo for the money and far cheaper than most. Their pistol ammo has a very low jam rate when compared to comparable cost ammo from other makers like Wolf for instance. Self reloading magazine fed type pistols do not like lacquer coated cheap Wold ammo.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 04:31 PM
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correct me if im wrong canda no longer has a gun registry or ban per se(but i do hear rumors they track people who buy ammo) and when the original ban expired i seem to rember they discovered a good deal of fire arms in private hands that were not there during the ban years implying they were hidden for a few decades
en.wikipedia.org...

Registration of firearms in Canada has been an issue since the 1930s when the registration of handguns became mandatory. Over the past few decades, legislation had become increasingly restrictive for firearm owners and from 1995 until 2012, all firearms were required to be registered. As of April 6, 2012, the registration of non-restricted firearms is no longer required in any province or territory, except for Quebec, pending litigation. Systematic auditing of firearm owners and sports is implemented and enforced in most of Central Canada,[1][2] and to a lesser extent, in Western Canada (in most cases firearm ownership regulations vary slightly in different provinces and territories, where some provinces have decided to mandate their own laws, such as the Quebec Bill 9 course, which is mandatory for all owners of restricted firearms).[3]
so i guess like America it varies depending on state/Provence and to be fair they have more restrictions on fire arms then most us citizens(they have less then chicago and ca though... it seems) and a few types of ammo and guns are outright banned but they do have guns and the ability to defend themselves(reasonably mind you)

www.gunpolicy.org... some info on canada



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 06:21 PM
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That is great news about protecting the 2nd amendment!

Now if WY ground water wasn't so polluted with Fracking by products I'd move there in a second!

Derek



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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This isn't Wyoming's first rodeo on this gun issue:


Firearms freedom legislation and federal gun laws nullification

This proposed legislation would "...declare that any firearms made and retained in-state are beyond the authority of Congress under its constitutional power to regulate commerce among the states". The legislation would require that the firearm be prominently marked as being "Made in {name of state}" and further prohibit federal regulation solely on the basis that "basic materials" and "generic and insignificant parts" of the firearm may have their origins from outside the state.

Through 2010, resolutions have been introduced in the legislatures of 27 states that would nullify federal authority over such local firearms. The legislation passed in Montana and Tennessee in 2009 and in Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming the following year.[12] South Carolina has taken the issue one step further: in 2010 a bill was introduced which would effectively nullify all gun registration laws within the state.[13]
Texas has prefiled[14] and West Virginia has filed[15] similar legislation for the current 2011 legislative session.

en.wikipedia.org... Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution

edit on 10-1-2013 by JohnPhoenix because: addition



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 06:59 PM
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if you wish to discuss the dark tunnel known as Cerberus, start a thread and i'd be happy to contribute. that is not the topic of this thread.
your deflection is noted but isn't going to garner a response in this thread.

although a bonus of this news is now we have more than one reason to visit

way to gooooo Wyoming.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 07:05 PM
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my, my ... how do you maintain such a pessimistic outlook ?

Are you saying that those in AZ don't value their 1st - 10th rights?
nope, didn't say or imply that ... why would you assume such ?


When the media paints WY as a bunch of crazy nuts to the rest of the country, nothing WY does will have legitimacy with the rest of the nation and the FED can brush aside, just like anything AZ does. And AZ's fight against immigration and Fast/Furious issues has shown, that the USSC will not back the states against the FED.
we'll see.
Arizona isn't Wyoming.
Wyoming isn't suffering an immigration problem.
also, Wyoming didn't invite a battle with the Fed ... they told them to GET LOST or we'll lock your azzes up !!!!
i absolutely love it



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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Way to go Wyoming! I hope Oklahoma follows suit. Of course if we don't, Missouri is close, I can go bother Wrabbitt for a while.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 08:56 PM
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A dose of reality on these so called states rights as we have all been told exist and are in some format of a written form called an ammendment to the constitution, but we know a civil war was fought with one of the main issues being states rights but till this day these waters remain murky.

Just like anything else politics will be in full effect and the executive will of course exert his powers to gain succes of any Federal regulation or ban.

Wyoming and any other state can do as it wishes and yes states rights are definitely not to be tread upon, but see the problem is sort like the pimp and the people that do the pimps business and bring them money, there is something called federal aid, direct payments and grants.

All the government will start doing is enacting contingincies to receive these needed monies, forcing states to comply or else, be it guns laws, federal regulations or anything else to receive these monies, and if you look on this chart most of the states are in way too deep to have any of those funds cut, so for the many people who think that states are so independent and free, you are wrong, every state is bought and paid for by uncle sam in some form but mostly in the form of grants and direct payments, no matter what you may think or how it is theoretically suppose to operate, if the federal government says jump, guess what? they jump just because of the way states operate and receive these huge sums of Federal money annually, this situation is a little different dynamic than back in the olden days of baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and chevrolet.

Most states are so broke nowadays many of them could not fully function without federal money.

take a look and see how really dependent states are on Uncle Sam, many will not gamble going against the grain on these gun bans or regulations .


Federal money to states



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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Last time I checked the value state sovereignty is grossly overrated. I need to check my facts but I believe the supreme court can overrule state sovereignty. I'm pretty sure this is what happened in the race riots where certain southern states had a bunch of racists laws and the supreme court had to come in and shut butts down.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 09:59 PM
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I think you're bringing the room down a bit with this, but I also believe you're hitting pretty close to the mark here. Don't get me wrong, I congratulate Wyoming on showing some cajones in the face of such an obvious and massive campaign against citizens rights to protect themselves, but aside from the federal funding issue, when push comes to shove, will State law enforcement actually arrest Federal agents? I just don't see that ever happening. In principle, I wholeheartedly agree with the concept, but I simply cannot envision Highway Patrol vs FBI shootouts for example. The first encounter of that type will change everything.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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Yeah Wyoming. No state income tax, and now this. Someone in this country has some stones left.

Check out the socialist take on this:

Wyoming Mounts Unconstitutional Attack On Non-Existent Gun Laws.

Now I don't care who you are, that's funny right there. I know you are but what am I? Sound familiar?


I posted this story also, didn't see this thread. Mine will probably be closed.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 10:11 PM
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The tenth amendment actually doesn't apply here at ALL....

The tenth amendment gives all powers NOT listed in the constitution as belonging to the states or restrictions.

The constitution has specific restrictions on infringing on the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. This means that not only can the Federal government NOT pass laws infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms, neither can the states.

The tenth amendment does NOT give the states the right to pass laws that restrict the federal government from passing laws against firearms. The SECOND amendment does.

If they specifically mention state sovereignty in this bill as granted by the tenth amendment, the supreme court can strike down the law on the grounds that the tenth amendment only pertains to those items NOT already covered in the constitution.

Since the restrictions against government infringing on the right to bear arms is already IN the constitution, No law restating that can be valid; however, this could have secondary ramifications as it would establish that the constitution DOES in fact already address and deny government the ability to infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms.

Jaden



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 10:12 PM
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If Mississippi doesn't do something like this, I know where I'm moving .

2nd.
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posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Libertygal
m.washingtonexaminer.com...

Wyoming, stepping up to the plate again, is proposing a new bill to put Obama in his rightful place. OUT of state business.

The Federal government, as most agree, has no business stepping into state business and telling individual states what to do. For those that disagree, see the 10th ammendment.


After Obama was elected the first time, at least 28 states, including Wyoming, had the foresight to see Obama and Holder were coming for their guns. These states passed bills re-affirming their 10th ammendment rights, some directly telling the president to butt out of state business.

There were many heated debates on ATS, with the typical name calling and racial aggressiveness used to attack people who believed Obama was going to make a move for guns. People were called racist, paranoid, mentally ill. It went on and on.

Now, we are facing the sum of all fears. The ugly truth is out now, and regardless of the reason claimed to be the precursor, it was evident from the start this was going to happen. Those with foresight were not so wrong.

This new bill prohibits the Federal Government from creating any laws about guns or magazines in the state of Wyoming. It also has jail and fines for Federal agents that attempt to do anything to anyone in the state with refernce to gun bans, and the state if Wyoming will defend any citizen if the Feds arrest or charge them.

Now. If only more states remembered theur 10th.


It has gotten to the point where I can't help but laugh when I see the media use photographs of military grade assault weapons in their stories; automatic assault weapons (continuous fire) that are not available to the public but, it is not really funny because there are so many idiots out there who swallow the lies hook, line and sinker.



posted on Jan, 10 2013 @ 10:47 PM
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what makes coercion any more legal when they do it ??
i understand your point but i think you under-estimate the will of the people.

contrary to popular belief, money does not make the world go 'round.
with or without money ... freedom reigns.



posted on Jan, 11 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
finally states standing up and fed up with the bullcrap trying to be shoved down their throat.. I hope texas is up next!


Texas will surely follow suit, but only after AZ and VT. See, WY, AZ, and VT are the only 3 states in the country considered Constitutional Carry states, aka no license for any open or concealed carry of firearms. They're HUGE supporters of the Right to Bare Arms and States Rights. Texas, with it's "Democratic Capitol of Austin", regulating a 96% Republican, has to tread lightly, so as not to upset all of the Liberals who've flocked to Texas in recent years in hopes of finding sustainable employment.

I'm here in Austin and can say, without a doubt, people think I'm crazy when I say I own guns. Then, I get back to my own neighborhood just north of the city, and everyone on my street is packing heat, buying and selling amungst each other, and otherwise carrying on like there is no government.

What people (gun owners) should realize is that if it were not for the Media/News the Federal Government would have a very hard time enforcing any kind of Federal Law within the individual states. In reality, our States Rights supersede ALL Federal Law and at the end of the day, Liberals who don't see the need to protect themselves can all go take a long walk off a short pier.





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